Path: ...!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-1.nntp.ord.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2024 02:14:31 +0000 From: ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) Subject: Re: Dial-up modems (Re: FREE GAME: Spirit of the Mouse) Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action References: <2d1d9c48fbbdc14ad1055a11b19e73d0b3557d19@i2pn2.org> User-Agent: tin/2.6.2-20221225 ("Pittyvaich") (Linux/6.10.7-100.fc39.x86_64 (x86_64)) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2024 02:14:31 +0000 Lines: 84 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 47.180.143.226 X-Trace: sv3-B4JkCH4N0UerOHrwQK/dcgXedDKgPnBkf8+zn4Db81sl2//WawHmHDel+OTyLI0udKiwpAvfUat0Zae!lMrbZoTEyyd9u5i9I8J3b3aDvcM6BheWDWGPlOPvI5CpL1IO1duF1FWkJZ8iEE9d7D9joZsGDkYp!CtlPOJc/J7S9/2m8YTvppsfmAMTWAclG X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 5583 Spalls Hurgenson wrote: > On Thu, 10 Oct 2024 20:23:29 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote: > >Spalls Hurgenson wrote: > >> On Thu, 10 Oct 2024 00:16:58 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote: > > > >> >Spalls Hurgenson wrote: > >> >> On Tue, 08 Oct 2024 02:07:34 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote: > >> >> >Justisaur wrote: > >> > > >> >> >> We had an acoustic coupler for awhile. I think I could type faster than > >> >> >> it sent letters. > >> > > >> >> >That's like 300 speed. ;) > >> > > >> >> Depends on how fast you can type :-) > >> >> 300 baud is probably amazingly fast to hunt-n-peck typists. > >> > > >> >I hunt and peck on smartphones since I have to have one hand hold it and while other hand type! > >> > > >> > > >> >> And in the 80s, before GUIs were common and everything -even a lot of > >> >> games - were character-based, 300 baud was probably usable, if a bit > >> >> slow. Although I can't imagine using anything that pokey for > >> >> downloading stuff; even 28,8kbps was tedious at those speeds (the > >> >> original Doom Shareware took me over an hour to get, back in the day). > >> >> Even looking at images was a chore; you'd queue up two or three and > >> >> that would be it for the night ;-) > >> > > >> >Yeah, but you had those evil line noises!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > >> No, you didn't. Most modems supported the AT M0 command, which turned > >> off the speaker from the start. It was one of the first AT commands I > >> learned, and boy howdy did I make sure every AT string I used included > >> it! That squeal people associate with the dial-up era of the Internet? > > > >> I never heard it. > > > >No, not the modem connection audio. The line noises that lag and even > >disconnect your connections. If the dial-up modem didn't have error > >corrections like my 2400 modems, then you get bunch of characters on > >screen if using text mode connections like in BBSes with terminal > >clients like $^UY&HW24tr856g65 (pretend some of these are extended ASCII > >characters too). :( > Oh, that. > I was fairly lucky; I never had significant problems with line noise > (then again, as noted, the majority of my modeming-years were in an > era where modems _did_ have built-in era correction). Disconnects were > actually fairly uncommon for me. And software existed to automatically > redial if there was a disconnect, so even when it did happen it wasn't > more than a momentary annoyance. I never had good and fast dial-up modem connections due to crappy copper phone lines and far away to central offices (COs). I couldn't even get DSL. Not even IDSL. > Maybe it was more of an issue on the Apple ][; I really don't > remember. It may or may not have had error-correction; I have no idea > as to the specs or capability of the modem I used. (I dont' even know > the brand). But, I think, between the wonderousness of just being > able to connect to another computer, and the fact that I didn't make > much use of the thing, I've no recollection as to how often I had to > redial because my connection got unceremoniously dumped whilst > browsing some BBS. It may have happened -it probably did- but it > didn't stick with me as some tremendous disadvantage. > Honestly, given the limited capability of the Apple ][, the computer > probably froze long before the line noise had a chance to kill any > connection. ;-) I never had dial-up for my Apple //c. I got an internal Zoom (Hayes compatible) 2400 modem for my IBM PS/2 model 30 286 10 Mhz PC. It was Prodigy (still remember my TGSV85B ID) and BBSes. :) -- "I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep." --John 10:11. Dang poopy life & body again. Go Doyers! Note: A fixed width font (Courier, Monospace, etc.) is required to see this signature correctly. /\___/\ Ant(Dude) @ http://aqfl.net & http://antfarm.home.dhs.org. / /\ /\ \ Please nuke ANT if replying by e-mail. | |o o| | \ _ / ( )