Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis --- Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2024 20:38:11 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 39 Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2024 02:38:11 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="2dbd9b6f7d5f1796d3ffd574bf3f0b27"; logging-data="1903390"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19y00I748qYZBFqg508hSV0" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:jaGJuC+ePkPDE9Qn3ovPAAY5lJM= Content-Language: en-US X-Antivirus-Status: Clean In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 241029-4, 10/29/2024), Outbound message Bytes: 3242 On 10/29/2024 8:17 PM, Richard Damon wrote: > On 10/29/24 11:39 AM, olcott wrote: >> On 10/29/2024 10:18 AM, joes wrote: >>> Am Tue, 29 Oct 2024 09:58:50 -0500 schrieb olcott: >>>> On 10/29/2024 9:50 AM, Andy Walker wrote: >>>>> On 29/10/2024 13:56, olcott wrote: >>>>>> To the best of my knowledge no one besides me ever came up with the >>>>>> idea of making a simulating halt decider / emulating termination >>>>>> analyzer. >>>>>       The /idea/ is ancient, and certainly dates back at least to >>>>>       the >>>>> 1970s.  For a relatively informal discussion, see paragraph 3 of >>>>>     http://www.cuboid.me.uk/anw/G12FCO/lect18.html >>>>> >>>> The word "simulate" or "UTM" or "interpret" was not there. >>>> Let me know what keyword to search for I have to prepare my house >>>> for my >>>> cancer treatment. >>> The key word is "see". Oh wait, that's "emulate", which you haven't >>> explained the relevant difference from simulation of. Please keep >>> us posted about your health. >>> >> >> The good news about my health is that I will probably >> not be dead very soon. >> >> An x86 emulation has a 100% perfectly exact standard >> such that anyone disagreeing is unequivocally wrong. >> A simulation is much more vague. > > Right, assuming it is a COMPLETE x86 emulation, which HHH doesn't do. > Requiring the complete emulation of a non-terminating input is a complete jackass thing to say because no one could be that stupid. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer