Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.quux.org!eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Andy Walker Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis --- Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2024 14:03:58 +0000 Organization: Not very much Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2024 15:03:58 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="accb2a42d981b655fd6d45c4948a0c88"; logging-data="2164997"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19Bi2A6DCbm37xvFH1vkLOl" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:SejT0IBUowTf9PxXygmYYyDx8oA= Content-Language: en-GB In-Reply-To: Bytes: 3117 On 05/11/2024 09:46, Mikko wrote: [...] > But your comment about "distiction" is clearly false. My comment was > about statments but yours was about those how make mistakes and > those who wilfully mislead. A sentence does not make mistakes and > does not wilfully do anything. Indeed. So until it gains context it /cannot/ [in British English, I claim no specific expertise in other dialects] be a lie. It /can/ be more-or-less unconditionally false [eg in the "usually obvious" meaning], but that is not enough. IOW, your initial claim [that "there is no clear advantage in saying that the statement was not a lie until someone stated it"] is, IMO, incorrect; the advantage is correct use of English, and in particular avoiding insults until the context becomes clear. [I think I've made my point enough; I don't propose to continue this thread if you or others wish to have the final say.] -- Andy Walker, Nottingham. Andy's music pages: www.cuboid.me.uk/andy/Music Composer of the day: www.cuboid.me.uk/andy/Music/Composers/Balakirev