Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Zen Cycle Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: Facebook Account Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2024 12:28:18 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 63 Message-ID: References: <9dmpcjhlmnob1cgoagri7cpa5fjgkq9m0b@4ax.com> <9q4vcjhaj0nti7j1p7boasakb4q86vh6qr@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2024 18:28:19 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="9a67ea8e2bba1af1e2611081e5beb78f"; logging-data="1704661"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18VcqfPWOPtkpL6RwZ5emxRNxCcmoDZALg=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:5Q/ZS+kDn6BW6W3Ext+KRs5FGbc= In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3910 On 11/5/2024 12:18 PM, AMuzi wrote: > On 11/5/2024 10:53 AM, Zen Cycle wrote: >> On 11/5/2024 10:25 AM, AMuzi wrote: >>> On 11/5/2024 8:47 AM, Zen Cycle wrote: >>>> On 11/5/2024 9:32 AM, AMuzi wrote: >>>>> On 11/4/2024 9:05 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: >>>>>> On 11/4/2024 7:07 PM, Shadow wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>     "But it's in the Constitution" - just saying that lowers the >>>>>>> score. The World has changed a LOT in over 100 years, and laws >>>>>>> need to >>>>>>> change to accompany that. >>>>>> >>>>>> I occasionally encounter people who treat the U.S. Constitution as >>>>>> perfection itself, and as a holy document That Must Never Be >>>>>> Criticized. >>>>>> >>>>>> But despite its revisions (AKA amendments) I think it's got >>>>>> serious flaws. As evidence, there are now hundreds of nations with >>>>>> constitutions. Not one has duplicated the U.S. Constitution. All >>>>>> have at least attempted to improve on it. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> With mixed success. I give you the overwhelmingly adopted 18th >>>>> Amendment, the only one more destructive than the 17th. >>>>> >>>>> Change for its own sake is not always positive. >>>>> >>>> >>>> An amendment defining the structure of the senate is the 2nd most >>>> destructive? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> It removed the State legislatures from the process. That's a big >>> change, as reflected by candidates' positions and campaign strategies >>> and of course who is elected. >> >> Wait, so you're saying the state legislatures should have the >> exclusive authority to appoint senators, regardless of the will of the >> people? >> >> I'm having difficulty seeing how the people electing senators is >> "destructive". >> > > For the same reason that pattern and practice of elections is the sole > plenary duty of the legislature, not referenda, not by one official > elected or appointed. > > The Framers preferred a deliberative process for many decisions (by no > means all) and we differ, as much now as then, about where those lines > should be drawn. > So why then don't we just have the president selected by the congress? Fuck what the people actually want. -- Add xx to reply