Path: ...!local-4.nntp.ord.giganews.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-3.nntp.ord.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2024 23:45:55 +0000 Subject: Re: What composes the mass of an electron? Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity References: <6726a8ee$0$28084$426a74cc@news.free.fr> From: Ross Finlayson Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2024 16:45:55 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <6726a8ee$0$28084$426a74cc@news.free.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: Lines: 87 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-hACkWIAPToWMpgsaSK0uzsS8eACWaCF99gIMzytJ02L4E1qsPU4H3tmZijY8XFOG8sfM3PVqZdlPgSC!d22+03pMoW6QlmmY1BjKhIJhjCgOY/R3Eoh4FWUc2H+XpaFTV4ofbmeQl/zwnhKPbum+QR3P81WG X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 4875 On 11/02/2024 03:34 PM, J. J. Lodder wrote: > rhertz wrote: > >> A definition of mass, as found in Google: >> >> "Mass is a measurement of the amount of matter or substance in an >> object. >> It's the total amount of protons, neutrons, and electrons in an object." > > So you have that wrong too. (can't you get anything right?) > You must add the kinetic energy (positive) > and subtract the binding energy, by E=mc^2. > >> It's "accepted" since the 60s that protons and neutrons are not >> elementary particles anymore. As stated in the Standard Model of >> Elementary Particles, protons and neutrons are composed of quarks, with >> different flavors. > > I know you are going to hate this, > but most of the mass of the proton is kinetic energy. > Being confined in a small volume the quarks > (and gluons) have large zero point energies. > In fact they are highly relativistic. > Quark rest mass is only a small part of the proton mass. > >> >> But electrons are thought as elementary particles, so they can't be >> formed by a collection of other elementary particles. Even quarks are >> currently thought as working together with elementary gluons (QCD, Gauge >> Bossons). >> >> So, what is THE MATTER that electrons contain? >> >> This is one of many FAILS of the current SMEP. >> >> Is that the electron's mass is composed of unknown matter? Maybe of >> electromagnetic nature? > > Nope, the electrons do not 'contain' mass, > they are massive. > For an explanation you need to wait for the theory of everything, > > Jan > In "Technicolour" QCD it's quarks and quarks and quarks again, all the way down, as to the scale of superstrings/supercordes, about twice as much small as atoms than atoms, us. (In mass.) It's a continuum mechanics, .... The "field number formalism" of "field occupation numbers" generally refers to that point-like yet extended bodies, the solitons and instantons, have in field theory, that all the real fields inhabit space-time and thus result one vector field of tuples of field numbers, though that is yet a quantum/quantized concession, to what after the "re-normalization", it a field theory and a continuum mechanics. The "asymptotic freedom" within nucleons (neutrons, protons) is a great thing and makes for uniting strong nuclear force and a fall gravity, uniting in the sense of having the same mechanism, not as the "uniting in the sense of symmetry-breaking", it's a great thing to help explain otherwise that alternating molecular moments, and unipolar nuclear force, have electrons as a force carrier of charge and atoms as a force carrier of massy interactions to do with inertia, then though that most theories leave out neutron lifetime and photon speed, as with regards to e/m and measured e/m the charge/mass ratio of "an electron" as with regards to "a unit of charge" and "a unit of mass". It's a continuous manifold, .... It's a gauge theory. SR'ians and GR'ian's arrive at "e = mc^2" in altogether different ways, and SR's even amount is merely GR's first standard term in an infinitary expression. (Einstein has GR first, with SR "merely" "local".) Then, that "m - m' = e/c^2", Einstein's "second" mass-energy equivalency relation, this is after the momentum goes around the bend of both the electromagnetic and into the kinetic, the kinematic, in case don't-you-know Einstein's "half-way" account of the centrally symmetric contra the linear.