Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Cursitor Doom Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: Datasheet-flation? Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2024 23:11:50 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 80 Message-ID: References: <1r3jhb1.ks7h3uj4pk00N%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> <1r3kq3f.13cn5n51xsaszuN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> <1r3mdr5.1gi0f2v19nz8a6N%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> <1r3ni8c.168sxgezxdj08N%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> <1r3qa1i.1dqkos811aqhg4N%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2024 00:11:51 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="41dc258c1b9ecf3239d422c6bd0cbd5f"; logging-data="780298"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/T4P4wFOAbtMEMqrAnkeE/i4WvQgnORcc=" User-Agent: Pan/0.149 (Bellevue; 4c157ba) Cancel-Lock: sha1:sFjYxzO/iUwznnVHkYev1ya7GiY= Bytes: 4588 On Thu, 28 Nov 2024 07:22:01 -0800, john larkin wrote: > On Thu, 28 Nov 2024 10:36:08 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid > (Liz Tuddenham) wrote: > >>Cursitor Doom wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 26 Nov 2024 22:27:12 +0000, Liz Tuddenham wrote: >>> >>> > john larkin wrote: >>> > >>> >> On Tue, 26 Nov 2024 07:51:04 +0000, >>> >> liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) wrote: >>> >> >>> >> >Cursitor Doom wrote: >>> >> > >>> >> >> On Mon, 25 Nov 2024 10:21:56 +0000, Liz Tuddenham wrote: >>> >> >> >>> >> >> > Cursitor Doom wrote: >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 18:22:22 +0000, Liz Tuddenham wrote: >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> > Cursitor Doom wrote: >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > [...] >>> >> >> >> >> the English and American "billion" was harmonised many >>> >> >> >> >> years ago at one thousand million so there's no confusion. >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > Can you give a reference for that? I haven't found one. >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> Try this: >>> >> >> >> https://www.thenakedscientists.com/articles/questions/why- are-uk- >>> and- >>> >> >> >> american-billions-different >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > It just repeats the myth but doesn't give a reference. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> It's not a myth. UK and US billions have been harmonized at >>> >> >> 1,000,000,000 for as long as I can remember now. As I recall, it >>> >> >> was just done simply via adoption rather than any Act of >>> >> >> Parliament or Statutory Instrument. IIRC, I think the pressure >>> >> >> to do so came from the finance industry. >>> >> > >>> >> >Do you have a reference that isn't just heresay? >>> >> >>> >> You can go to BBC.com and search for stories with "billions". They >>> >> obviously mean 1e9. >>> > >>> > That is not evidence that the two have been harmonised, it just >>> > shows that BBC journalists have adopted American terminology. >>> > >>> > To harmonise two systems requires formal discussion, decision and >>> > documentation and neither you nor I have found any evidence of that. >>> >>> Fine believe whatever delusions you want to believe but it doesn't >>> change the fact that a UK billion today is one thousand million. >>> Period. >> >>You have still produced no no proof for your original assertion that the >>UK billion has been harmonised with the US billion, which was the point >>in question. Common misusage does not alter the facts. I'm not obliged to provide you with *anything*. The fact that I informed you what a billion is today was a courtesy extended to you by my infinite patience as a decent human being. >>Gas is not stored in Gasometers. >>UK pylons do not carry a current of 132,000 volts. >>The "Morse Code" was not invented by Morse. >> >>...the fact that most people, including journalists at the BBC, get it >>wrong doesn't make it right.. > > Who gets to decide "right"? > > If I carry a check into a British bank and it says "one billion pounds", > how much will they pay me? Nothing. You'll bankrupt it. :-)