Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hertz778@gmail.com (rhertz) Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: The Shapiro's experiment HOAX. A 1968 TIME article. Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2024 01:29:49 +0000 Organization: novaBBS Message-ID: <01fa749e0adf99339c033aa2ddadbe79@www.novabbs.com> References: <53a754e33f8216df2e7882aa63ee8391@www.novabbs.com> <511c68d28f959e6fc1f6e64452fd415d@www.novabbs.com> <3343e090c2dbceee4f4b044a1107ea21@www.novabbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="3109739"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="OjDMvaaXMeeN/7kNOPQl+dWI+zbnIp3mGAHMVhZ2e/A"; User-Agent: Rocksolid Light X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 X-Rslight-Posting-User: 26080b4f8b9f153eb24ebbc1b47c4c36ee247939 X-Rslight-Site: $2y$10$LPgaqFJ.WIqDGsQXUzE.dOjigWYANBfsvYGm/WDkJD8ZBuPiUYUIK Bytes: 3352 Lines: 76 New calculations (average) about the average received signal in the Shapiro experiment, by using his preliminary presentation in 1968. Some data collected from his first paper: https://paulba.no/paper/Shapiro_1968.pdf QUOTE: ************************************************************** The remainder of this Letter is devoted to a more detailed discussion of the data analysis and the novel experimental techniques required by the echo signal being sometimes as small as 10^-21 W, i.e., about 10^27 times weaker than the transmitted signal power of 300 kW. ....... How is the template determined? Since the planetary radius p is about a factor of 10^8 larger than the wavelength L of the radar signal, we can consider the planet to be composed of a great number of independent elements, each large compared with L and small compared with p. ************************************************************* Radar equation for ranging: Pᵣ = Pᵗ G² σ λ²/[(4π)³ R⁴] Pᵣ = 10E-21 W Pᵗ = 300,000 W λ = 0.0375 mt G = 67 dBi = 1.15E+06 (34 mt Cassegrain antenna at 8 Ghz) R (Earth - Mercury) = 2E+11 m σ (Mercury's cross-section at 8 Ghz - Shapiro calculations). INCOGNITO: σ used in calculations (avg.) σ = Pᵣ [(4π)³ R⁴]/(Pᵗ G² λ²) = 7.6E+12 m² SIGNAL TO NOISE AT RECEIVER: S/N = Pᵣ/(k Ts BW L) k: Boltzmann constant = 1.380649E-23 J/K Ts: System temperature = 150 "K BW: Bandwidth = 20,000 Hz L: Losses in receiving system = 20 dB = 100 N: Noise at receiver input = 4.141947E-15 W S/N = 2.438467E-07 = -66 dB So, faintest signal is about 5,000,000 times BELOW NOISE AND YET IS RECOVERED AND POST-PROCESSED? IN 1968, WHEN DIGITAL ENCODING WAS IN ITS INFANCE? IT SURE WAS A JOKE ON YOU ALL. EVEN IN 2024, THE DECODING OF A HIGHLY CODIFIED SIGNAL (CDMA/SPREAD SPECTRUM) WITH S/N = -40 dB is extraordinary, but 60 years ago (and with a 32 bits pseudo-random BPSK signal) his team could use signals with an SNR 100 times lower? But they fixed everything with 1 year of post-processing on an IBM 360 (first generation, 80 bits words). Yes, they could add decimals like crazy with 80 bits words, BUT.....COOKING WAS AT ITS PEAK.