Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Paul S Person Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written Subject: Re: Awfully quiet in here... Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2024 09:10:26 -0800 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 102 Message-ID: References: <3erpijdm27ntb9q64q3l4o6dtc4ja7pd1g@4ax.com> <76734a27-d0ad-8593-c6ed-7dc36f31d2ff@example.net> <1efsij14pj7or8voer2sou2lk6u23e96c1@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2024 18:10:33 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="e061786d14e5cf53bdb151a302fb7546"; logging-data="4085044"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18RWaa+sVqC6OH61dC9DHNm3iIHQBcYv9g=" User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 Cancel-Lock: sha1:9rFixrwMCrOfUu9jpB0Q+FQSE3U= Bytes: 4986 On Fri, 8 Nov 2024 21:00:52 -0500, Cryptoengineer wrote: >On 11/8/2024 4:10 PM, D wrote: >>=20 >>=20 >> On Fri, 8 Nov 2024, Paul S Person wrote: >>=20 >>> On Thu, 7 Nov 2024 23:11:20 +0100, D wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, 7 Nov 2024, Paul S Person wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Thu, 7 Nov 2024 08:11:49 -0800, Bobbie Sellers >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 11/7/24 04:34, Gary R. Schmidt wrote: >>>>>>> Hey! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is anybody else out there? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Or has the disaster that is the USA meant that they've already=20 >>>>>>> started >>>>>>> trucking people off to the ovens??? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Only a few message from James and one from Lynn - well, apart = from=20 >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> people/bots that I filter, that is. >>>>>> >>>>>> =A0=A0=A0=A0Well they haven't come for me yet.=A0 However I = twisted my ankle on >>>>>> October 4 then on November 1 I walked too far and ended up in a >>>>>> a fresh world of pain from the ankle. It is hard for me to read = and >>>>>> keep my foot elevated on an ice pack. I tend to fall asleep that >>>>>> is and I have tp limit my time at the computer and doing chores. >>>>> >>>>> Here's hoping your ankle heals soon. >>>>> >>>>>> =A0=A0=A0=A0I am tired of responding to bigots of many persuasion = who >>>>>> rejoice in the appointment of a monarchial ruler by the people >>>>>> who live in darkness of hate and fear. >>>>> >>>>> They don't know what darkness and fear is. >>>>> >>>>> As Trump himself has said, they won't need to vote for him again, = if >>>>> only because of the term limit. >>>>> >>>>> But voting for him was their only value to him. And we know how = Trump >>>>> treats those he does not need. >>>>> >>>>>> =A0=A0=A0=A0But the thought police have not come for me yet. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Well, now the healing and rebuilding of the nation can start! =3D) >>> >>> As I noted in 2016 (not here but online elsewhere), at least with >>> Trump we would get many legal questions answered. And so we have. No >>> doubt this will continue. >>> >>> And I suppose it is possible that, freed from any obligation to his >>> supporters since he cannot run again, he /might/ try healing and >>> rebuilding. As opposed to dividing and destroying. >>> >>> One indicator might be if he actually pardons the Jan 6 folks. After >>> all, not only can they do nothing for him in the future even with >>> their right to vote restored, they failed in 2020. Why should he be >>> grateful to failure? >>> >>=20 >> Let' see! It will be a very interesting 4 years for sure! I'm super=20 >> excited about his proposed 24h ukraine fix. Personally I think he has=20 >> underestimated the complexity of the situation, but regardless, will = be=20 >> interesting to see his attempt. > >I don't understand how anyone thinks he could actually do that. His >proposal, as I understand it, is basically to order Ukraine to >surrender the land, people, and treasure that Putin has already >stolen, disarm, and disavow ever joining NATO. > >Russia has to do nothing. > >Ukraine, and Europe, quite properly, would say 'Fuck that shit', >and continue the fight without US aid. It would be hard, and >expensive, but Russia is starting to run out of men and material, >despite North Korean aid. > >Trump doesn't have sufficient leverage to stop the war. While I agree with you that he can't stop the war that way, a couple of well-placed nukes would pretty much take care of the problem. So I would say he /could/ do it, although the price might be rather high. --=20 "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino, Who evil spoke of everyone but God, Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"