Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Chris M. Thomasson" Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary) Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2024 15:11:41 -0800 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 67 Message-ID: References: <67d9867b-2614-4475-975c-938bafca5c00@att.net> <4a810760-86a1-44bb-a191-28f70e0b361b@att.net> <23311c1a-1487-4ee4-a822-cd965bd024a0@att.net> <71758f338eb239b7419418f49dfd8177c59d778b@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2024 00:11:41 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="17232c29395538db7d47c3a356e5c0c8"; logging-data="2975873"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/b5uzK8YkhejWHRxZUWntXEVTszn79bng=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:guNaIKUBQUyXozkDkMldwhkEFWM= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Bytes: 4103 On 11/30/2024 3:12 AM, WM wrote: > On 30.11.2024 11:57, FromTheRafters wrote: >> WM explained : >>> On 29.11.2024 22:50, FromTheRafters wrote: >>>> WM wrote on 11/29/2024 : >>> >>>>> The size of the intersection remains infinite as long as all >>>>> endsegments remain infinite (= as long as only infinite endsegments >>>>> are considered). >>>> >>>> Endsegments are defined as infinite, >>> >>> Endsegments are defined as endsegments. They have been defined by >>> myself many years ago. >> >> As what is left after not considering a finite initial segment in your >> new set and considering only the tail of the sequence. > > Not quite but roughly. The precise definitions are: > Finite initial segment F(n) = {1, 2, 3, ..., n}. Finite? Huh? The natural numbers don't stop at n! WTF!!!! Lay off the drugs. > Endsegment E(n) = {n, n+1, n+2, ...} > >> Almost all elements are considered in the new set, which means all >> endsegments are infinite. > > Every n that can be chosen has infinitely many successors. Every n that > can be chosen therefore belongs to a collection that is finite but > variable. > >>> Try to understand inclusion monotony. The sequence of endsegments >>> decreases. >> >> In what manner are they decreasing? > > They are losing elements, one after the other: > ∀k ∈ ℕ : E(k+1) = E(k) \ {k} > But each endsegment has only one element less than its predecessor. > >> When you filter out the FISON, the rest, the tail, as a set, stays the >> same size of aleph_zero. > > For all endsegments which are infinite and therefore have an infinite > intersection. >> >>> As long as it has not decreased below ℵo elements, the intersection >>> has not decreased below ℵo elements. >> >> It doesn't decrease in size at all. > > Then also the size of the intersection does not decrease. > Look: when endsegments can lose all elements without becoming empty, > then also their intersection can lose all elements without becoming > empty. What would make a difference? > > Regards, WM >