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From: Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Newsgroups: comp.unix.programmer
Subject: Re: Faking a TTY on a pipe/socketpair
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2024 22:26:56 -0000 (UTC)
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On Wed, 11 Dec 2024 08:33:29 -0000 (UTC), Muttley wrote:

> On Tue, 10 Dec 2024 20:55:05 -0000 (UTC)
> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wibbled:
>>
>> One thing lacking from sysvinit is, while it can start a service, it
>> cannot ensure the service was started properly, and it cannot perform
>> reliable service shutdown. So the job of service management was really
>> only half-done.
> 
> It doesn't need to , it can just spawn off a script or some other
> program which does that which is entirely inline with the unix
> philosophy.

Which is where the trouble starts.

> Something Poettering never understood.

Poettering understands that services don’t just to be started, they also 
need to be managed and shut down cleanly.