Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Lynn McGuire Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written Subject: Re: Whoops! The Atlantic Makes Trump Look EPIC In Cover Intended as a Smear Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2024 13:52:38 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 78 Message-ID: References: <8ehfhj9jphf08ssafje6l45ugf8dd4gjub@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2024 19:52:39 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="b70eb76d41e3d509e143ba9a38098a37"; logging-data="2962087"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+2tKPyivd+oM6TyGavvYu5Fj0raweyuFk=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:mvpVlNWJKhhYI6YHAekhN8j3mZw= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Bytes: 4457 On 10/31/2024 4:39 AM, D wrote: > > > On Wed, 30 Oct 2024, Lynn McGuire wrote: > >> On 10/30/2024 3:54 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote: >>> Lynn McGuire writes: >>>> On 10/30/2024 4:39 AM, D wrote: >>> >>>>> >>>>> This raises questions about the future job of programmers. Do you >>>>> believe that the field will be split into simple code-monkeys where >>>>> salaries with the help of AI, will decrease more and more over >>>>> time, and >>>>> the "elite" who actually are the ones who develop new algorithms, >>>>> tools >>>>> and AI that serve to reduce the salaries of the code-monkeys? >>>> >>>> I have no idea and I am in the business of writing and selling >>>> software. >>>>   Programming is an odd profession, very few programmers actually >>>> have a >>>> programming degree.  My degree is in Mechanical Engineering, one of my >>>> programmers has a PhD in Chemical Engineering, and my other programmer >>>> has a double degree in Chemistry and Physics. >>> >>> Pretty much every programmer I've worked with over the last forty >>> five years >>> has had a degree in computer science or computer engineering.  There >>> have been some without degrees that learned on the job (e.g. started >>> in product support and moved to programming, but those are the >>> exception, >>> not the rule). >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Many of the elite programmers never graduated from college.  Bill >>>> Gates, >>>> Mark Zuckerberg, etc. >>> >>> Calling either of them 'elite' programmers is inaccurate.  Good >>> businessmen, >>> perhaps.  Perhaps even good idea men. >>> >>> >>> Windows is, however, a steaming pile.  Popular by default, not by >>> design. >> >> And you just outed yourself as an elitist with that last comment. >> >> Lynn > > Maybe Scott is instead a man of highly refined and good taste? I agree > with him that windows is steaming excrement. I do acknolwedge "the power > of good enough" and the predatory practices of Microsoft which has > propelled windows to its current position. > > Fortunately, on the server side, I do hope that windows ship of theseus > experiment with WSL, will finally reached the end station, of becoming a > linux. ;) I suspect that ship sailed a long time. It would have been nice if the Windows NT project was based on FreeBSD instead of the VAX VMS clone that Dave Cutler wrote. I advocate the reading of "Showstopper", it will amaze you. https://www.amazon.com/Showstopper-Breakneck-Windows-Generation-Microsoft/dp/1497638836 "Showstopper is the dramatic, inside story of the creation of Windows NT, told by Wall Street Journal reporter G. Pascal Zachary. Driven by the legendary David Cutler, a picked band of software engineers sacrifices almost everything in their lives to build a new, stable, operating system aimed at giving Microsoft a platform for growth through the next decade of development in the computing business." Lynn