Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!news.szaf.org!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: RonO Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: USDA announces a new Dairy Influenza testing strategy Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2024 14:32:09 -0600 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 180 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: References: <0166fc5f-35d9-4810-875e-4d2863060b38@gmail.com> <60f15923-cfcc-4741-90b2-3f4cba432123@gmail.com> Reply-To: rokimoto557@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="89217"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:ztPPdkR1o4l5ZvTaex59HA5NcEM= Return-Path: X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id D06AD229782; Mon, 09 Dec 2024 15:32:19 -0500 (EST) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 85A34229765 for ; Mon, 09 Dec 2024 15:32:17 -0500 (EST) by pi-dach.dorfdsl.de (8.18.1/8.18.1/Debian-6~bpo12+1) with ESMTPS id 4B9KWD24106408 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2024 21:32:14 +0100 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6A8445FD26 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2024 20:32:10 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/6A8445FD26; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=gmail.com id 2C351DC01A9; Mon, 9 Dec 2024 21:32:09 +0100 (CET) X-Injection-Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2024 21:32:09 +0100 (CET) X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX1/LpQlWO3ffa9Pc49OFgxjd7zT6/y4qb6I= In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US FREEMAIL_FORGED_REPLYTO,FREEMAIL_REPLYTO_END_DIGIT, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED, USER_IN_WELCOMELIST,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 smtp.eternal-september.org Bytes: 12380 On 12/7/2024 5:52 PM, RonO wrote: > On 12/7/2024 5:42 PM, RonO wrote: >> On 12/7/2024 12:42 PM, erik simpson wrote: >>> On 12/7/24 10:34 AM, RonO wrote: >>>> On 12/7/2024 11:40 AM, erik simpson wrote: >>>>> On 12/7/24 8:53 AM, RonO wrote: >>>>>> On 12/6/2024 1:22 PM, RonO wrote: >>>>>>> https://www.usda.gov/media/press-releases/2024/12/06/usda- >>>>>>> announces- new- federal-order-begins-national-milk-testing >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The USDA is finally going to do what needed to be done at the >>>>>>> beginning of the dairy influenza epidemic.  They are still >>>>>>> calling it avian influenza when it has been primarily a dairy >>>>>>> infection since March. Things have just gotten to the point where >>>>>>> stupidity and politics can't stop them from doing the right thing >>>>>>> any longer. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> They are going to start a national milk testing program that will >>>>>>> force the states with infected herds to admit that they have >>>>>>> infected herds and start them doing something about it.  They >>>>>>> need to protect dairy workers and poultry flocks from getting >>>>>>> infected by the dairy virus. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The CDC's own research in late October indicated that the dairy >>>>>>> H5N1 genotype B3.13 could survive the most common pasteurization >>>>>>> method and remain infective for at least 4 days in refrigerated >>>>>>> whole milk. The FDA went into denial, but claimed to start >>>>>>> another milk testing program, but implemented the wrong testing >>>>>>> protocol to determine if there was an issue with the milk >>>>>>> supply.  Instead of going to plants accepting contaminated milk >>>>>>> and testing the raw milk before pasteurization and then after >>>>>>> pasteurization in order to determine what went in and what came >>>>>>> out they asked for volunteer production facilities and volunteer >>>>>>> dairies that wanted their milk tested. This was obviously stupid, >>>>>>> but they did it, and never have announced any results from the >>>>>>> program. They haven't even claimed that they got enough >>>>>>> volunteers to do an effective study.  They probably needed to >>>>>>> test up to a hundred plants handling infected milk, using various >>>>>>> procedures to pasteurize their milk, and they needed to test them >>>>>>> multiple times during the days production, and on multiple >>>>>>> different days of the week.  They needed to determine if there >>>>>>> was any stage of production that could be compromized and let >>>>>>> infective milk enter the food supply during stages like shift >>>>>>> changes, maintenance, cleaning, and restart. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Missouri patient and the child that got infected by the dairy >>>>>>> virus in California are possible cases of infection due to >>>>>>> ingestion of dairy products.  The CDC claims that they do not >>>>>>> know how the patients were infected, but their only contact with >>>>>>> dairy cattle was the milk that they drank.  The milk supply might >>>>>>> be 99% safe, but it is that 1% that could have been an issue in >>>>>>> California and Missouri. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It will be important to know if infective virus is surviving in >>>>>>> the milk supply if the virus does mutate to better infect humans, >>>>>>> but the FDA is not doing what they should be doing.  Why would >>>>>>> any regulatory agency rely on volunteers when the ones that will >>>>>>> not volunteer are the most likely to have the issues that they >>>>>>> are looking for? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ron Okimoto >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.tri-cityherald.com/news/business/health-care/ >>>>>> article296704124.html >>>>>> >>>>>> This Washington State news paper is asking why Washington with 11 >>>>>> infected poultry workers was left off the list for starting bulk >>>>>> milk tank testing.  They aren't the only affected left off the >>>>>> initial list. a month ago the USDA claimed that they were going to >>>>>> initiate bulk milk tank testing in states with known infected >>>>>> herds within 30 days, but that may not have happened. There have >>>>>> been no updates on that project. I think that they announced that >>>>>> project around Nov. 7. >>>>>> >>>>>> The USDA just announced a national program and are planning to >>>>>> start with Oregon, California, Colorado, Michigan, Mississippi, >>>>>> and Pennsylvania.  Colorado has already done several rounds of >>>>>> bulk milk tank testing of their dairies since they were infected >>>>>> and identified the second most number of infected dairies, but are >>>>>> way behind California in the number of infected herds, mainly >>>>>> because it looks like they contained the infection by identifying >>>>>> their infected herds. Oregon, Mississippi, and Pennsylvania have >>>>>> not yet adimitted to having infected herds.  So why has the USDA >>>>>> left out Missouri and Washington that have had infected human >>>>>> patients? >>>>>> >>>>>> What happened to the program that was supposed to have started by >>>>>> now in the states with known infected herds?  What will happen >>>>>> with this current program?  Those are the questions that the USDA >>>>>> should be answering. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ron Okimoto >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> It's good see USDA taking an interest in these infections. The CDC >>>>> seemed like they weren't paying much attention to the infected >>>>> birds, cattle, etc. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Both the CDC and USDA have been pretending that the dairy epidemic >>>> would just go away if they pretended hard enough, but reality is >>>> catching up with them.  The CDC already announced a program to start >>>> testing dairy workers a couple weeks ago, but nothing has come of >>>> it. Nothing came of the USDA's first announcement that they were >>>> going to start testing dairies in states with known infections from >>>> a month ago.  That attempt may have failed to get started, so they >>>> are claiming that they are going to start this effort.  It has been >>>> a fiasco for both the CDC and the USDA from the start in March. >>>> >>>> Ron Okimoto >>>> >>> Ever get the feeling that our government actually doesn't work? >>> >> >> https://apnews.com/article/bird-flu-dairy-workers- >> h5n1-20d6a20ea9e1047ad7a92f9da31709f8 >> >> This is an AP news report on the CDC claiming that they were going to >> start testing dairy workers back in Nov. 7, but nothing seems to have >> happened.  The CDC's initial plan was to "monitor" the situation and >> wait for the virus to make the jump to infecting humans.  They claimed >> that they could detect human infections rapidly enough to jump in and >> contain the infection when it happened.  They haven't even been able >> to identify more infected workers in the last 30 days.  With responses >> like that the next world wide pandemic is pretty much assured to >> happen if the virus ever does mutate to infecting humans and becomes a >> respiratory infection.  They know where the dairy workers are getting >> infected, and they can't get testing implemented to identify the >> infected.  How did they expect to identify the infected so that they >> could contain the virus running through the area around the dairies? >> >> https://www.aphis.usda.gov/news/agency-announcements/usda-builds- >> actions-protect-livestock-public-health-h5n1-avian-influenza >> >> This is the press release where the USDA claimed that they were going >> to start testing infected states Oct 30th.  It seems nuts that nothing >> came of this, and now we have a new national goal that will take how >> long to implement? >> >> Ron Okimoto > > https://abcnews.go.com/Health/usda-issues-order-raw-milk-samples- > nationwide-tested/story?id=116531943 > > Any dairy herds that test positive are required to provide information > that would allow contact tracing in order to track the infection. > > QUOTE: ========== REMAINDER OF ARTICLE TRUNCATED ==========