Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Joel Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.os.linux.advocacy Subject: Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2024 15:38:16 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 148 Message-ID: References: <59nklj50i22qi8jqh1qc4n06fs54rhakdr@4ax.com> <47dmljprdi5itvkl8hf67hl90m3kadjgh3@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2024 21:38:19 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="0b06d8f13df09e73feeaff299ae6e160"; logging-data="3087386"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18bDZhzsILgkhnIAa8NJe4SMyu83gL+hP0=" User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 Cancel-Lock: sha1:SHPxJlBdS0LX30m8JpZaenyP3aw= OS: Debian 12, with Wine 9.0 for WinAPI Bytes: 6974 Alan wrote: >On 2024-12-12 12:20, Joel wrote: >> Alan wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> Linux's native apps for this are better than Apple-centric macOS GUI >>>>>>>>>> apps [and therefore don't need replacement with Windows apps]. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ignoring that you are now attempting to deflect, you declared macOS to >>>>>>>>> be inadequate simply because it COULD run Windows apps in CrossOver... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ??? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ...so why isn't Linux inadequate when you actually CHOOSE to run Windows >>>>>>>>> apps? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How are you drawing a distinction there? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm not. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> YOU are. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> YOU are calling macOS inadequate for being able to do something that not >>>>>>> only can one do in Linux, but moreover something YOU actually need to do. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm using Agent because I always used it. It's one app. I actually >>>>>> would be motivated to switch if I were using macOS, probably, to >>>>>> Usenapp, but that would be crazy given that Linux is the OS I would >>>>>> prefer to run.. >>>>> >>>>> Actually, it was TWO apps when last I checked... >>>> >>>> I have three Windows apps installed, but Agent is the big one in use. >>> >>> Proving my your own metric that Linux is inadequate. >> >> Incorrect, Intel Macs can do this too with CrossOver or even just >> installing Wine. Agent is very workable with Wine. > >But you said that it proved macOS was inadequate, doofus. > >Let me refresh your memory: > >'Another note, I ran Agent and mIRC under CrossOver for Mac, in 2010. >This was due to the inadequacy of GUI apps for macOS, for Usenet and >IRC.' > >But you run Windows apps under WiNE on Linux. > >So how isn't Linux also inadequate? > >>>>> But you're continuing to ignore the point. >>>>> >>>>> You're claiming that the mere EXISTENCE of a facility to run Windows >>>>> software under macOS (CrossOver Mac) proves the inadequacy of macOS... >>>>> >>>>> ...so why doesn't the existence of the same facility on Linux prove its >>>>> inadequacy? >>>> >>>> >>>> Neither are bad things, actually. I'm claiming that for IRC, Linux >>>> has better options, and has options for Usenet that are acceptable, >>>> including running a Windows client. >>> >>> And yet you declared it was proof of macOS's inadequacy... >>> >>> ...while not saying the same about Linux. >> >> Well, it's easier to use Wine than a VM of Win11 ARM. > >That's not the point under discussion. > >Your need to use CrossOver on the Mac led you to declare Mac GUI apps >"inadequate". > >You have have that exact same need under Linux. > >So explain why Linux apps aren't "inadequate", too. Frankly, I retract the intent of my statement, if not its sheer truth. macOS does OK, on these things. >>>>>>>>> And turning to your deflections: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Name such an app. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For Usenet, I've heard good things about Usenapp for macOS, never seen >>>>>>>> it, it didn't exist when I had mine. It may be better than what's >>>>>>>> available for Linux GUI. But certainly Linux has options for GUI IRC. >>>>>>> You're supposed to be supporting your claim that: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 'Linux's native apps for this are better than Apple-centric macOS GUI apps' >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And with no surprise at all, you're completely failing. >>>>>> >>>>>> If I were starting without any Windows apps, I'd want to go toward >>>>>> Linux for choice, yes. There are specific things macOS excels at, but >>>>>> I'm an Internet person, simply having a quality desktop is the >>>>>> experience. It's hardly surprising I'd be running Linux. >>>>> >>>>> You made a specific claim: >>>>> >>>>> 'Linux's native apps for this are better than Apple-centric macOS GUI apps' >>>>> >>>>> In what way are they "better"? >>>> >>>> Usenapp really may be a great GUI app for Usenet, like Agent, >>>> available on macOS. But I would still use Linux because of other >>>> software. Hell, on a Mac, I'd probably even get M$ Office. But >>>> that's kind of the point. Now I've spent all this money on a computer >>>> and software, that doesn't do anything better than I can with Linux >>>> and LibreOffice. >>> This wasn't about what you LIKE, doofus. >>> >>> This was about your declaration that: >>> >>> 'Linux's native apps for this are better than Apple-centric macOS GUI apps' >>> >>> Now, I don't know whether you were just referring to WiNE vs CrossOver >>> Mac, or apps in general, but for once in your miserable existence, try >>> backing up a claim you've made. >> >> I actually might retract, in part, that Linux is better for a GUI IRC >> client than macOS. It's probably still technically true, but not in >> the precise way I meant. So, actually, macOS is pretty good for >> Usenet and IRC support. >Or you're just realizing you've been talking bullshit for the whole time. Essentially, I was, not entirely but essentially. -- Joel W. Crump Amendment XIV Section 1. [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.