Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.quux.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: RonB Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy Subject: Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025 Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2024 20:30:50 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 86 Message-ID: References: <4gf7P.5896$Uup4.1220@fx10.iad> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2024 21:30:50 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="16311eac48d3bad1d619286be0a0b5db"; logging-data="1996346"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX183w4B8TC/pfDhH8QZPwMBp" User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:p8JI5J4Z13+DFSrrD3p1ALfotxE= Bytes: 6366 On 2024-12-17, CrudeSausage wrote: > Le 2024-12-17 à 03:13, RonB a écrit : >> On 2024-12-16, CrudeSausage wrote: >>> Le 2024-12-16 à 05:27, RonB a écrit : >>>> On 2024-12-15, CrudeSausage wrote: >>>>> Le 2024-12-15 à 02:23, RonB a écrit : >>>>>> On 2024-12-14, CrudeSausage wrote: >>>>>>> Le 2024-12-14 à 10:44, RonB a écrit : >>>>>>>> On 2024-12-14, CrudeSausage wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Higher performance per watt which leads to lower power use and therefore >>>>>>>>> improved battery life. Whether Intel and AMD want to admit it or not, >>>>>>>>> people _do_ want to have a computer which can handle a whole day's work >>>>>>>>> on a single charge and which won't increase electrical bills. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> While I agree that most people want longer battery life for their laptops, I >>>>>>>> really don't think the cost of charging a laptop is that big of a concern. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Not to a person who lives in an area where electricity is cheap. >>>>>>> However, it is only going to become more expensive in places like Europe >>>>>>> where its production depend on a resource acquired from Russia. The same >>>>>>> way they switched to fuel-efficient or electric cars to lower their >>>>>>> reliance on gasoline, they are probably going to switch to >>>>>>> energy-efficient machines to reduce their need for electricity altogether. >>>>>> >>>>>> If things are getting that dire in Europe they're going to have to learn >>>>>> to live without computers at all. >>>>> >>>>> If this were the 80s and Europe were facing these issues, I imagine that >>>>> either Atari or Commodore would have produced a very efficient computer >>>>> which would only need to be charged once daily. Let's not forget how >>>>> popular the ST and the Amiga were over there while they were failing >>>>> miserably in North America. Because both companies are dead, the most >>>>> likely scenario is that they will move to the efficient machines made by >>>>> Apple or equipped with Qualcomm's processors. I do not think that their >>>>> energy crisis is going to get better anytime soon. >>>> >>>> I'm sorry, but I'm skeptical that the electricity needed to charge a laptop >>>> is that big of a concern, even in Europe. >>> >>> In that case, you should look at how Germany's economy is tanking, >>> specifically the result of a lack of cheap oil coming in from Russia. >>> You can imagine that the smaller supply of oil will result in electrical >>> production being more expensive and for the power bills to be much >>> higher for the average German. As a result, they are not as likely as >>> they once might have been to buy the powerful PC which requires 800W of >>> power to play a game every hour. >> >> I don't have to "imagine" that the lack of cheap Russian gas is hurting >> Germany's economy (that's plain to see every day in the international news). >> I'm just having trouble imagining that this is resulting in angst about the >> amount of electricity required to charge a laptop. > > If the price you pay for electricity doubles, you are likely to look at > the devices in your house and make changes in the kind of machine you > buy. The promise of charging once a day rather than keeping a machine > plugged is likely to be a benefit to a European. The people of North > America probably won't care as much since power is cheap here. Hypotheticals. I'll remain skeptical that this will be a major issue. (Unless, of course, there is no power at all — which may be a reality in Europe if they keep going down the destructive paths they've chosen. In that case keeping food from spoiling will probably take priority over laptop charging — of any kind). >> I purposely use low power laptops and micro desktops because it's all I need >> and I don't like the background sound of fans. These all run Intel CPUs >> (except for the Wyse 5060 thin client desktop — it uses a low power AMD >> CPU). >> >> And, as usual, the standard disclaimer, I don't play Windows' video games or >> use high-end (watt gobbling) GPUs. I'm not sure, though, that ARM chips will >> be running these games in the future. (I guess we'll see.) > > ARM might, but I don't care to stick around to find out. At best, I > would imagine that ARM will play today's games as well as today's x86-64 > PCs around 2027 or so through some compatibility layer. If it happens > sooner, all the better. I'm guessing the power required to run Windows complex video games will not fit in ARM's low-power "wheelhouse." But we'll see. As I've mentioned (many times now) I'm not a game player. -- “Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien