Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.gegeweb.eu!gegeweb.org!nntp.terraraq.uk!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: John Harshman Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: Were Neanderthals another species of Homo Sapiens? Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2024 06:55:02 -0800 Organization: University of Ediacara Lines: 41 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="81104"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Return-Path: X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id 05D58229782; Mon, 09 Dec 2024 09:55:40 -0500 (EST) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C275C229765 for ; Mon, 09 Dec 2024 09:55:37 -0500 (EST) by moderators.individual.net (Exim 4.98) for talk-origins@moderators.isc.org with esmtp (envelope-from ) id 1tKfAc-00000001Oa3-2Tw9; Mon, 09 Dec 2024 15:55:34 +0100 by egress-mx.phmgmt.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA57C60C7B for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2024 14:54:47 +0000 (UTC) by serv-2.ord.giganews.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F4040444CF8 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2024 08:55:02 -0600 (CST) by serv-2.i.ord.giganews.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id 4B9Et2gP015281; Mon, 9 Dec 2024 08:55:02 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: serv-2.i.ord.giganews.com: news set sender to poster@giganews.com using -f X-Path: news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail X-NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2024 14:55:02 +0000 Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Original-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 4011 On 12/8/24 7:58 PM, JTEM wrote: > John Harshman wrote: > > >> Well, thanks for making an argument using actual support from >> published literature > > You didn't. What, you thought nobody would notice that you're a > worthless hypocrite who has to imagine points? > >> True, but the neandertal genomes are from much more recent fossils >> than the estimated time of divergence > > Which is meaningless. > > You're literally "arguing" that they remained different despite having > diverged... > >> One can also, of course, correct the divergence estimates for fossils >> of substantially different ages. > > "Fossils" is utterly irrelevant. We're speaking of POPULATIONS. > > "Fossils" don't diverge. > >>> https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12733395/ >> >>> According to the above, you're shy about 75%. >> >> I didn't see any relevant claim there > > Because you have ZERO reading comprehension. The claim is that we > so called "moderns" today are about as distinct from Neanderthals > as two populations of cattle believed to have diverged about 0.5 > million years ago. The cite estimates that there has been one > human species for most of the last 2 million years. Now do you > think you can work out the "Significance" or can I further taunt > you? Sorry for trying to engage with you. Carry on.