Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: -hh Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2025 13:37:19 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 67 Message-ID: References: <67707879@news.ausics.net> <366b4ad1-4849-d7a9-cade-67d1eba035c3@example.net> <35a09fa5-08b1-8121-51c7-28d3aac1cd0f@example.net> <3002e7b9-095e-c292-1202-b151f7776587@example.net> <8b262a1f-507f-ef10-e4d3-a981dca5b7d1@example.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2025 19:37:20 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="0f465814d909d309aa3a047ea2240b5a"; logging-data="26407"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19r/zUGybj+pOISPKQMBnHMOHHSJAXJQns=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:KgHWrrjtFTJdulmA9tCWt1hJbSs= In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 4434 On 1/3/25 11:43 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 03/01/2025 16:31, Chris Ahlstrom wrote: >> The Natural Philosopher wrote this post while blinking in Morse code: >> >>> On 03/01/2025 13:32, -hh wrote: >>>> Sea levels have already risen by 4 inches since 1993, and hard science >>>> has found the primary energy imbalance reason why:  its anthropometric. >>> >>> Sea level rise has been 3mm/yr for the last 4000 years. Nothing has >>> changed >> >> This source disagrees: >> >>      https://ocean.si.edu/through-time/ancient-seas/sea-level-rise >> >> Also, sea level is *not* the same all over the world. The article >> mentions that >> as well. >> >> It's an interesting read. > > Well I will merely quote from the Wiki: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Past_sea_level > > "Sea level has changed over geologic time. As the graph shows, sea level > today is very near the *lowest level ever attained*  (the lowest level > occurred at the Permian-Triassic boundary about 250 million years ago)." > > "Recently, it has become widely accepted that late Holocene, 3,000 > calendar years ago to present, sea level was nearly stable prior to an > acceleration of rate of rise that is variously dated between 1850 and > 1900 AD." > > *Long before any CO2 excess was present*. Yes, the rate of raise was nearly stable **before** the Industrial Age. Which is the point: the contemporary acceleration in the rate of rise is a change, and it is coincident with the advent of the Industrial Age. Overall, sea level is kind of like driving down the highway: it doesn't particularly matter if the speed limit is 55 or 65: what matters is when there's a rapid rate of change. When we look at the timescale of rates of change, we find that over the past 2000 years, the last 150 years stand out: [quote] Stable sea level from 200 BC until 1000 AD A 400-year rise by about 6 cm per century up to 1400 AD Another stable period from 1400 AD up to the late 19th C A rapid rise by about 20 cm since. [/quote] TL;DR KISS: ~1200 years of ~0.0 mm/yr ~400 years of +0.6 mm/yr ~450 years of: -0.1 mm/yr ~1850-present: +2.1 mm/yr Doing the math, the history is ~195mm over 2000 years = +0.1 mm/yr, which means that today's 2.1 mm/yr is a 20x greater rate of change. -hh