Path: ...!fu-berlin.de!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: The Natural Philosopher Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2025 19:27:12 +0000 Organization: A little, after lunch Lines: 53 Message-ID: References: <3002e7b9-095e-c292-1202-b151f7776587@example.net> <8b262a1f-507f-ef10-e4d3-a981dca5b7d1@example.net> <655acbf6-05e5-69ff-8a44-9f7075aafa2e@example.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2025 20:27:13 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="73cbcebefed2d6f321debb4f14d0b736"; logging-data="206651"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/b9v7PjES+TFN5tOWB1LGILdmq3mv/xuQ=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:CHHy+8XarOrV2ZlpDmKlNRIYmgc= Content-Language: en-GB In-Reply-To: <655acbf6-05e5-69ff-8a44-9f7075aafa2e@example.net> Bytes: 4238 On 08/02/2025 17:59, D wrote: > > > On Sat, 8 Feb 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> On 08/02/2025 07:36, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote: >>> IMHO, a lot of this is just "busy work" from >>>    people looking for something to do. Their >>>    idea of "better" means "better for ME - and >>>    screw YOU". It's not better for the average, >>>    or even professional, user. >> >> In my careers - I have had several - us Engineers were humble >> creatures who wrote clean workmanlike well documented and tested code >> in the hope that no one would ever have to write it again, and if they >> did, it would be instantly understandable. Code was. to quote my >> friend 'Higgy',  'all just bits, in silicon'. >> >> Later I encountered computer scientists who spoke a strange language >> with artistic terms in it like 'elegance' 'intellectual purity' >> 'algorithmic efficiency'  'Turing complete' 'object oriented' and >> other words that seemed to have nothing whatever to do with actually >> writing testing and debugging clean code that met the spec and worked >> in a timescale less than eternity... >> >> I decided they were all frustrated ArtStudents™ with Physics envy who >> could not  do HardSums™ > > Haha, brilliant! > >> And should never be let anywhere near a critical project. > > I am fascinated by the fact that when it comes to programming, there can > be an enormous disconnect between academic programmers, and a guy in his > room who just pounded out the code and got the work done. > > I'm not saying he did it in the most "elegant" way or the best > documented way, but I do claim that in many instances, the guy without > the official training is able to do it. > > Reminds me of when I went to university. I often had to help the A > students with their practical assignments, and I got it done. On the > theory part however, they were always the A students. There is computer science, and there is software engineering. Textbooks on software engineering are worth reading -- "The great thing about Glasgow is that if there's a nuclear attack it'll look exactly the same afterwards." Billy Connolly