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On 1/10/25 4:09 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 10/01/2025 08:34, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>> On 1/10/25 2:27 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>    Ok, there was too much to snip/edit there ...
>>
>>    However I *do* ascribe to the principle of
>>    'eggs & baskets'. We need to develop *everything*
>>    and keep it ALL 'in the mix' just because. That's
>>    the best survival strategy. Monolithic, single
>>    niche, has been the doom of most species on earth.
>>    Darwin CAN enlighten outside mere biology
>>    (within sane limits).
>>
>>    PVs, eventually and in conjunction with good
>>    energy-storage methods, are perfectly good and
>>    viable for many apps. You can do it Just Because
>>    you WANT to do it, even if a nuke grid IS
>>    to be had.
> 
> There are no suitable storage methods. Or we would have used them years 
> ago,
> 
> 
>>
>>    I live in a 'disaster zone'. I've got the utility
>>    wires, a generator AND some PV panels that can
>>    charge batteries and even make a little AC line
>>    voltage. This is LAYERS, alternatives. NO one
>>    thing is gonna always be reliable.
>>
> Fine. Now look ta the cost of all that versus cheap nuclear grid 
> electricity.
> My sister in S Africa has been forced to do the same. Fortunately there 
> is a lot of sun and its warm so they dont need to use their batteries to 
> stay warm. And they cant cook, but that's what barbecues are for.
> 
> This is only cost effective if the actual market for electricity is broken.
> 
> And its mostly broken because of government interference and subsidising 
> 'renewables'
> 
> 
>>    PVs CAN, eventually, eclipse traditional and
>>    nuke power sources/grids. They're not there yet,
>>    but - maybe - there's a longer future where they
>>    can reach full potential. It's a Good Idea.
>>
> No. They can't. Not without massively expensive storage that simply 
> doesn't exist and no one knows how to build.
> 
> 
>>    Now the neat trick is to program a Linux Pi
>>    or something to smartly, promptly, intelligently,
>>    switch between all yer layers as-needed.
> 
> Switching between an array of zeros will always still produce a zero
> Connecting permanently to a single reliable non zero is way cheaper.

   Not YET.

   As such PVs are still best suited for 'off-grid' apps.
   Some large power companies though have installed HUGE
   farms of PVs - they boost the grid during the day when
   most power is being used. That means they don't need to
   build new conventional power plants which are gawdawfully
   expensive and over-regulated these days.

   Used THAT way, they don't NEED "storage".