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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: John Harshman <john.harshman@gmail.com> Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: Nematode fossils 15 million years older than the Cambrian explosion? Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2024 08:48:15 -0800 Organization: University of Ediacara Lines: 28 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <-eKdnTCwc8pSj6P6nZ2dnZfqlJydnZ2d@giganews.com> References: <vhji2e$24i1r$1@dont-email.me> <bpGcnajbQKfL-KD6nZ2dnZfqlJ-dnZ2d@giganews.com> <0d34a9f6-54bf-4edc-b28c-9c2d911d8b8c@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="82524"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Return-Path: <poster@giganews.com> X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id 0B83D229782; Wed, 20 Nov 2024 11:48:21 -0500 (EST) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D5FC6229765 for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Wed, 20 Nov 2024 11:48:18 -0500 (EST) id C9DC65FD18; Wed, 20 Nov 2024 16:48:17 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org by mod-relay.zaccari.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF9BF5FD17 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Wed, 20 Nov 2024 16:48:17 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 mod-relay.zaccari.net AF9BF5FD17 by egress-mx.phmgmt.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A0E060B62 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Wed, 20 Nov 2024 16:48:15 +0000 (UTC) by serv-4.ord.giganews.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85892443443 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Wed, 20 Nov 2024 10:48:16 -0600 (CST) by serv-4.i.ord.giganews.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id 4AKGmGgc009696; Wed, 20 Nov 2024 10:48:16 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: serv-4.i.ord.giganews.com: news set sender to poster@giganews.com using -f X-Path: news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail X-NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2024 16:48:15 +0000 Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <0d34a9f6-54bf-4edc-b28c-9c2d911d8b8c@gmail.com> X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Original-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 On 11/19/24 9:30 PM, erik simpson wrote: > On 11/19/24 8:28 PM, John Harshman wrote: >> On 11/19/24 6:38 PM, RonO wrote: >>> https://www.science.org/content/article/mother-son-team-s-fossil-find-shows-how-nematodes-and-all-arthropods-arose >>> >>> It looks like they have found nematode fossils in the same area that >>> they are finding ediacaran fossils. They think the fossils are in >>> sediments 15 million years older than the Cambrian explosion >>> diversification. >>> >>> They think that they represent early members of ecdysozoans. >>> Nematodes are protostomes, but are more closely related to arthropods >>> than other protostomes. This would mean that animals like the phylum >>> mollusca existed or at least branched off as multicellular animals >>> long before their appearance and diversification during the Cambrian >>> explosion. >> >> First, of course they aren't nematodes, and the article actually >> suggests they're "nematode-like", i.e. stem-ecdysozoans. >> >> Second, Kimberella is probably either a mollusk or a >> stem-lophotrochozoan, so no ecdysozoan fossils are needed for that. >> > Do you have access to Current Biology? I have access to Science itself, > and it's too bad this didn't get published there. I don't, though a lot of it is open access. But not this one. The abstract does agree with the Science piece.