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On Thu, 23 May 2024 15:43:54 -0700, BTR1701 wrote:

> In article<v2obln$1ubc9$1@dont-email.me>,
> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>  wrote:
>
> > On 5/23/2024 4:35 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> > > In article<v2o7bi$1tkcc$1@dont-email.me>,
> > > moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>  wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 5/23/2024 2:38 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> > > > > In article<v2ns6e$1rgqc$1@dont-email.me>,
> > > > > moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On 5/22/2024 12:57 PM, Rhino wrote:
> > > > > > > Once again, Leo Kearse hits it out of the park:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5uW1Htq7XU [10 minutes]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I listened to enough to hear the claim that truth is a defense
> > > > > > against a charge of "incitement to hatred" ...which, obviously,
> > > > > > it isn't.
> > > > >
> > > > > As I said, the truth is now illegal.
> > > > >
> > > > > But neither should citing the government's own crime statistics in a
> > > > > discussion about public policy be considered "incitement to hatred"
> > > > > merely because it undermines the government's immigration agenda.
> > > >
> > > > As I said, an "incitement to hatred" needn't carry any lie.
> > >
> > > And expanding on what I said, if you make truth illegal because you've
> > > created circumstances that allow you to claim it leads to some nebulous
> > > concept of 'hatred', then you've successfully muzzled all political
> > > opposition and have created a dictatorial society where anyone who
> > > speaks against you is criminalized.
> > >
> > > And this all comes from the people who are constantly bleating about
> > > the need to "protect muh democracy!"
> >
> > There are enough laws, rules, regulations, and statutes in the world to
> > allow anyone to be prosecuted for (or exonerated of) anything. The
> > ultimate trial arena is always in the mind of the ultimate presiding
> > judge. So, if you mean to defend against this "incitement of hatred"
> > charge, you'll have to argue either that the very concept is
> > unconstitutional
>
> Well, we're talking about Germany here not America, so
> 'unconstitutional' isn't on the table, but yes, if this kind of law were
> to be passed here, it would absolutely without question be
> unconstitutional.
>
> > or that there's no valid reason it applies here.
>
> There's no valid reason it should apply anywhere.

Germany has had Hate Crime laws before, under the Weimar
Republic the Jewish written constitution itself said that
"denigrating a religious group" is a crime punishable by prison.
Also that members of parliament were exempt from imprisonment
for convictions of crimes, so if his Party lost votes or he fell into
disfavor of the Party he represented, he could be transferred
from Parliament To Prison.

Don't ever let the crooks convince you that Hate Crime
Laws are Something New.