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On May 27, 2024, D wrote
(in article<6c70bb08-bf62-3bf8-1e39-25eca1609d63@example.net>):

>
> On Sun, 26 May 2024, WolfFan wrote:
>
> > On May 26, 2024, D wrote
> > (in article<e9e47a95-a341-04a3-4127-ef741c483bf8@example.net>):
> >
> > >
> > > On Sat, 25 May 2024, Bernard Peek wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 2024-05-25, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Ehh incorrect. I lived there and detected no such thing. Bird-flu isn't
> > > > > even a topic in the news and no one where I live talks about it.
> > > >
> > > > It's been found in cattle in several parts of the US and there have been
> > > > two
> > > > cases of transmission from cattle to people. So far no cases of
> > > > person-to-person transmission.
> > >
> > > 2 out of 8 billion. I am so scared! ;) Call me again if we reach one in
> > > two and until then, I won't be bothered.
> > >
> > > Corona, by the way, was about as dangerous for my age group as driving a
> > > car. That figure came from the government, so all hysteria was just
> > > nonsense.
> >
> > one of my nieces died of covid. She was 25. She died before there were any
> > vaccines.
>
> Ok. Sad, but there are people who die of bananas, and we don't ban
> bananas. In that age group, corona was about as dangerous as driving a
> car, so not justifiable to close down the world for a flu.

bloody hell:

1. covid-19 ain’t ‘a flu’

2. the ’Spanish’ flu of 1918, spread from the US because of an idiot 
American general who didn’t want ‘a flu’ to prevent deploying American 
troops to Europe, called the Spanish Flu because it was first reported in 
Spanish newspapers, as American, British, French, and German newspapers were 
made to shut up for reasons of denying the enemy info during a world war, 
killed more people than the fighting in WWI. And that was ‘a flu’.

You’re radically ignorant about epidemiology, and proud of it.
>
>
> > None, zero, of the rest of the family, and there’s a LOT of us, had any
> > problems whatsoever with the vaccine.
>
> I've heard of many who had problems with vaccines.

I’ve seen dead bodies because idiots refused to vaccinate.
> Also note the double
> standard. Anyone who died 30 days after corona was a corona victim. If
> this would have been applied to the vaccines, you'd see even higher death
> rates.

Bullshit. that’s not how epidemiology works. You are, again, radically 
ignorant and incredibly proud of that.
>
>
> > Note that I do not work for any government. I was one of the driving forces
> > behind the vaccination policy at work: no vaccine? Cool. Stay out of the
> > building. If you can remote work, carry on. If you can’t, either get
>
> In my company we had the reverse. If you're vaccinated, stay at home. On
> the other hand, I Don't hire pro-government hysterical corona people, so
> it was pretty much a non-issue. And no one died, which shows that unless
> you're old, it was mostly psychosomatic.

Bullshit. You can’t possibly enforce that. With us, we merely request to 
see the vaccination card. No card? You better have a good reason. “I lost 
it” means “get a duplicate”. “I don’t want to get vaccinated” is 
not a good reason. All that would be necessary for someone who got vaccinated 
to keep working there (God knows why they’d want to hang around with 
idiots) is to simply not show you their card. How would you find out that 
they lied?

It’s not just bullshit, it’s transparently obvious bullshit which NEVER 
HAPPENED. You’re not just an idiot, you think that everyone’s as stupids 
as you are.
>
>
> > vaccinated or get another job. This is a right to work state, we can fire
> > you
>
> Let me correct that... let the government foricbly inject you, or else we
> let you starve.

not the government, idiot. I got my vaccinations from Walgreens. A private 
company.
>
>
> That is similar policies to nazi-germany and the soviet union, just so you
> know.

Bullshit.
>
>
> If the vaccines work, there's no need to be afraid of un-vaccinated, or if
> you are, you are basically admitting that the vaccines don't work, and
> then they are just a charade.

Bullshit. Not all can take vaccinations. Vaccinations are not 100% effective. 
If you had even slight knowledge of epidemiology you would know this. 
You’re breathtakingly ignorant, and proud of it.
>
>
> > for any reason we want. (Ron DeSatan tried to set things up so that idiots
> > couldn’t, officially, be fired for not getting a vaccination; however, the
> > kind of idiot who refused to vacvinate usually had done something in the
> > past
> > which we could have fired him for but didn’t. Officially, that’s why he
> > was fired, and we have the paperwork going back to before the pandemic to
> > prove it. Kiss my ass, DeSatan.)
> >
> > You’re perfectly free to not get vaccinated. You’re not free to not get
> > vaccinated and work here.
>
> Likewise and reverse. No work for you if you are vaccinated at my company.
> And this is why a libertarian world is the only way to peace.

Bullshit. you can’t possibly identify those who got vaccinated. I can 
identify those who did not. Typically they will self-identify; that is how I 
found out about two anti-vaxxers who were visiting my house, one of whom had 
to be physically ejected and tried to call the cops. They were pig-ignorant 
buffoons, and loud about it.
>
>
> Also note the irony, that in my world you are free to vaccinate yourself
> if you want, do heavy drugs etc. but in your world, I must subject myself
> to medical experiments to be able to participate.
>
> I think that's a pretty authoritarian and sh*tty world view, but I'm glad
> that you are not the president and I'm glad that the legal system is so
> full of loop holes that I was able to travel without a mask and meet the
> people I could after a bit of legal threatening and arguing. =)
>
> > Perhaps those who passed the Right To Work laws (hint: not Democrats) should
> > have thought things through before ramming the laws through.
> > >
> > >
> > > I say, protect the old if they want it and let the rest live their lives
> > > as normal, which is what eventually sweden did, which was proven to be the
> > > right way. Not limiting peoples freedoms and becoming authoritarian.
> >
> > public health is about the public im general. Not you specifically.
>
> I don't agree.

your agreement is not necessary. Public health is about the public in 
general. It’s right there on the label.
> All there is is individuals, and I have full autonomy and
> control of my body and no one else. I do not recognize any laws that claim
> otherwise.

you have full autonomy as long as you’re not near me.
>
>
> > Both my parents were epidemiologists in Africa, the Caribbean, and Latin
> > America. I got to see public health processes up close while growing up.
> > Those who don’t get vaccinated are not welcome near me or any of my
> > family.
>
> Doubt they would ever want to meet you or your family. Btw, do you never
> fly or move around in public? I can promise you that there's plenty of
> non-vaccinated people, so did you realize you could die by going outside
> your house?
>
> > Period. Yes, I feel that strongly about it. Yes, I have thrown anti-vax
> > idiots bodily out of my house over this; one idiot went and complained to
> > the
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