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On Jul 12, 2025, Alan wrote
(in article <104u6kb$28upq$3@dont-email.me>):

> On 2025-07-12 11:40, Marion wrote:
> > On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 10:32:12 -0400, WolfFan wrote :
> >
> >
> > > > It has my real phone number, true. But not my real name, or real
> > > > date of birth, or any other personal information.
> > >
> > > It's trivial to generate an AppleID which has nothing to do with
> > > your personal info. I have different AppleIDs which I use
> > > depending on what I want to do. This would include AppleIDs used
> > > for business purposes.
> >
> > None of you ignorant uneducated Apple trolls knows anything about
> > Apple.
> >
> > Only on Apple devices is not only privacy impossible, but you need
> > to carry two different devices with you at all times to log into the
> > Apple Account.
>
> No. You don't.

Nope. under certain circumstances using an AppleID might produce arequest to 
enter a six-digit PIN... and all devices with that AppleID get the 
notification, including the device you’re logging into. (I always thought 
that this was stupid, but hey...) The PIN is different for each device, so 
Apple knows if you have a second device or if you only have one. If you use 
the PIN sent to the device you want to log into, there may be additional 
steps to ensure that you’re you. Note that this is NOT for logging into the 
device itself; that requires the standard login method. All of my devices 
have a (different for each one) 10-digit alphanumeric login code, and 
face/fingerprint crap is NOT turned on. A third party can’t get onto the 
device to get to where it asks for an AppleID in the first place.
>
>
> >
> > Since all you MAGA zealots are ignorant of everything you speak of,
> > it used to be that you could generate an "Apple ID" without any
> > useful information being supplied. Later, Apple enforced the address
> > had to be real and match the zip code for the Apple ID, but it could
> > be anyone's address and zip code.
>
> This is false.

Even if it were true... the ZIP would be the ZIP for, for example, the office 
for one of the AppleIDs used for business purposes.

And it’s not true as I have _multiple_ AppleIDs which don’t have an 
address attached.
>
>
> >
> > But as of April of 2019, Apple started requiring that the zip code
> > match the billing address of your credit or debit card, where your
> > billing address could be bogus, but the zip code had to be valid for
> > that address.
>
> Since I don't have to provide a credit or debit card to create an Apple
> Account, this is also false.

Yep. if no payment info is set up, you don’t need an address. Company 
devices don’t have payment info set up, the users ain’t supposed to buy 
anything to install on a company device. If necessary, IT department (me) 
will temporarily put a payment method onto the AppleID used for company 
devices, buy whatever, install it on the devices in question over the network 
in any of a half-dozen ways, and take the payment method off the AppleID.
>
> >
> > At that time, 2FA was optional, although there was a lawsuit that
> > Apple won where people who didn't opt out within the required grace
> > period were stuck with 2FA forever.
>
> Cite, please!

I’d like to hear this one, too.
>
>
> >
> > By late 2023, Apple began requiring 2FA for nearly all newly created
> > Apple IDs where there is no opt-out for newer devices. If your
> > device runs iOS 11 or macOS High Sierra or later, 2FA is
> > automatically enabled for new accounts and cannot be turned off once
> > activated.
>
> That is (I believe) true.
>
> >
> > Keep in mind that on June 11, 2024, Apple changed the terms of the
> > "Apple ID" which they then termed the "Apple Account".
>
> And?
>
> >
> > As of September 2024, Apple expanded 2FA availability to nearly
> > every country and region, making the 2FA requirement a global
> > standard.
> >
> > Bear in mind that of the possible methods for authentication, which
> > Apple will require every time you log into the Apple Account (or
> > change settings), the phone *must* be real and it cannot be a VOIP
> > number.
>
> Nope. This is all Apple says on the subject:
>
> 'Make sure you enter a phone number you can always access. It will be
> used to verify your identity any time you sign in on a new device or web
> browser. Messaging or data rates may apply.'
>
> <https://account.apple.com/account#!&page%3Dcreate>
>
> >
> > The fact that Wolfan claims he used a VOIP number, if he did at all,
> > would indicate he did this looooooong ago, as Apple will only accept
> > real phones.
>
> 'Make sure you enter a phone number you can always access. It will be
> used to verify your identity any time you sign in on a new device or web
> browser. Messaging or data rates may apply.'
>
> Nothing about what type of phone it is.

Apple only cares that the phonr number works. It department (me) at the 
office run all comms, voice, fax, text, email, whatever, past our systems. 
All comms. We use VOIP phones for voice and assign a new VOIP line as 
necessary to new hires or those who change departments. We have yet to 
encounter a problem with an AppleID due to VOIP. Arlen’s lying his ass off. 
Again.
>
>
> >
> > Apple's policies are absurd that you need to carry with you at all
> > times TWO devices, where even if you don't have a mobile phone with
> > you at all times, Apple can send codes to other Apple devices signed
> > in with your account.
>
> 'Make sure you enter a phone number you can always access. It will be
> used to verify your identity any time you sign in on a new device or web
> browser. Messaging or data rates may apply.'
>
> >
> > Only on Apple devices is not only privacy impossible, but you need
> > to carry two different devices with you at all times to log into the
> > Apple Account.
> >
> > > And, oh, ancient iPads still work fine around here. With their
> > > apps. No, apps do not die on older iPads.
> >
> > None of you ignorant uneducated Apple trolls knows anything about
> > Apple.
> >
> > If you don't have an Apple ID on the device, then you can update the
> > OS. But you can't update the apps.
>
> So have an AppleID

it’s trivially done.
>
>
> >
> > If you update the OS version, at some point, one by one, the apps
> > will start crashing (which we proved already for you Apple MAGA
> > morons).
> >
> > Not one of you ignorant uneducated MAGA Apple trolls knows anything
> > about how Apple works - particularly when you don't put an Apple
> > Account on the device.