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From: Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org>
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Subject: Re: New York's Crackdown on Ebikes
Date: Fri, 30 May 2025 12:09:07 -0400
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On Fri, 30 May 2025 10:43:01 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On 5/30/2025 10:29 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 5/30/2025 8:37 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>> On Fri, 30 May 2025 15:16:21 +0200, Rolf Mantel
>>> <news@hartig-mantel.de> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Am 30.05.2025 um 14:36 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
>>>>> On Fri, 30 May 2025 08:25:26 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/26/2025 10:59 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>> On 5/26/2025 8:38 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 5/26/2025 4:16 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 25 May 2025 21:36:00 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> New York Times article on police cracking down on ebike traffic
>>>>>>>>>> violations. Let's see if this will get people past the paywall:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/24/nyregion/ebikes-scooters-
>>>>>>>>>> cyclists- nyc.html?
>>>>>>>>>> unlocked_article_code=1.KE8.voH2.AOcHv0jrnp79&smid=url-share
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> “This is a direct attack on immigrant workers,” Ms. Guallpa 
>>>>>>>>> said. “The
>>>>>>>>> intent is to criminalize workers and to create a situation where 
>>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>> communities could be targets for deportation.”
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Typical NYT woke nonsense...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>> C'est bon
>>>>>>>>> Soloman
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> +1 with the typical misdirection and conflation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Legal Resident Aliens (taxpaying, working people who cannot vote) 
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> ignored, along with US citizens. Criminal illegal aliens who, by
>>>>>>>> Statute, cannot work and who are subject to summary deportation 
>>>>>>>> by the
>>>>>>>> same Statutes, are where her sympathies lie.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Damn. The right wing of this newsgroup is always on hair trigger!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The article contains over 2000 words. Of those, only about three
>>>>>>> paragraphs mention immigrant delivery workers. The rest deals with 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> disparity between ebike and car enforcement policies, noting that 
>>>>>>> cars
>>>>>>> kill far, far more pedestrians. It doesn't even mention that NYC 
>>>>>>> life is
>>>>>>> totally dominated by the negative effects of car traffic. Yet 
>>>>>>> people are
>>>>>>> enraged about the comparatively minuscule effects of ebikes, and 
>>>>>>> ebike
>>>>>>> riders are in some ways being treated more harshly than car drivers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Look, I think ebike riders should ride legally. I think U.S. 
>>>>>>> ebikes are
>>>>>>> too fast, and/or should be legally treated more like motorcycles -
>>>>>>> meaning integrated into traffic and kept off bike paths.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But you guys ignore all that, blinded by the brief mention of
>>>>>>> immigrants. You never fail to respond to right wing dog whistles, 
>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>> if  you have to blow the whistle yourself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Braindead magatards like the floriduh dumbass will consistently 
>>>>>> look for
>>>>>> a political scapegoat for any issue they have based their ignorant
>>>>>> opinions on, as is shown by his parroting of magatard groupthink 
>>>>>> nonsense.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Andrew isn't as bad as most but even he more recently is allowing
>>>>>> himself to get sucked into the magatard groupthink propaganda - 
>>>>>> there is
>>>>>> no evidence in that article to support "Criminal illegal aliens....are
>>>>>> where her sympathies lie."
>>>>>
>>>>> Since deportation only applies to people in the USA illegally, her
>>>>> statement absolutely indicates her sympathies are with the illegals.
>>>>
>>>> Deportation applies to people "presumed illegal" by the administration,
>>>> not only to people legally determined illegal.
>>>
>>> Nonsense. Whether a person is here illegally or not is very easy to
>>> detirmine and to prove.
>>>
>>>> Sadly the current admisitration has declared people illegal and
>>>> attempted to deport without due process.
>>>
>>> Ilegalas are not entitled to due process.
>>>
>>>> Many people have sympathies with following "due process" irrespective of
>>>> whether they have sympathies with people accused of committing 
>>>> misdemeanors.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> C'est bon
>>> Soloman
>> 
>> +1
>> 
>
>bullshit - it's demonstrably false.
>
>https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2025/05/11/yes-immigrants-in-the-u-s-illegally-still-have-due-process-rights/83481316007/
>
>"Despite Trump’s dismissal of and questions about due process for 
>immigrants, the U.S. Constitution, legal experts and decades of court 
>decisions agree: Immigrants in the U.S., regardless of how they entered 
>the U.S., legally or illegally, have due process rights."


According to some unknown editorial writer, anyway.

--
C'est bon
Soloman