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From: will.dockery@gmail.com (W.Dockery)
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Subject: Re: Usenet newsgroups 2025
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2025 19:10:00 +0000
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HarryLime wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 17:46:36 +0000, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 17:31:13 +0000, HarryLime wrote:
>>> On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 16:49:49 +0000, Will Dockery wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 7:05:08 AM UTC-4, george wrote:
>
>>>>>>>  > > A silly young burro named Bobby
>>>>>>>>  > > Joined a poetry group for a hobby.
>>>>>>>>  > > His output was thin,
>>>>>>>>  > > But he tried to fit in
>>>>>>>>  > > By acting exceedingly snobby.
>>>>>>>>  > >
>>>>>>>>  > Robert Burrows wrote:
>>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>>  > A silly old fool named Dance
>>>>>>>>  > Once again pulled down his pants
>>>>>>>>  > No one expressed any shock
>>>>>>>>  > At the smallness of his c*ck
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Let's not forget that Robert Burrows came back with poetry of his own.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So it can be noted that Burrows didn't just go away crying.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No one is saying that he did, Donkey.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Again, you intentionally created a toxic atmosphere here, which ended up
>>>>>>> driving *everyone* away.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Again, that's a lie, Pendragon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It all begins when you, Jim Senetto and Nancy Gene decided to try to
>>>>>> drive Stephan Pickering from the newsgroup.
>>>>>
>>>>> You have a short memory, Donkey.  It began back in the early 2000s when
>>>>> you were annoying everyone with your ongoing tales of a pizza boi,
>>>>> calling yourself "Irony Waves" and discussing how black pussy tastes
>>>>> different from its Caucasian counterpart, starting flame wars with
>>>>> Karla, PJR, Michael Cooke, Dennis Hammes, and everyone else in the group
>>>>> at that time.
>>
>> No, I don't think I ever started a flame war but I never ran from one.
>>
>> The complete a.a.p.c. Usenet newsgroup archives can be read and
>> responded to on JLA Forums if you want to try to prove me wrong:
>>
>> http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=633422563
>>
>>>>> As for the late, unlamented Pickles, you brought him into the group to
>>
>> Wrong again, Pendragon.
>>
>> Stephan Pickering came to this Usenet newsgroup on.
>>
>> This is an archived fact, look it up:
>>
>> http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=633422563
>>
>>>>> replace me as your ally -- when I finally wised up and realized who the
>>>>> real trolls were.
>>>>>
>>>>> I initially attempted to draw Pickles into several conversations.  After
>>>>> having ignored my first few attempts, he suddenly launched into one of
>>>>> his patented, incomprehensible tirades about Christian dupes, child
>>>>> molestation, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Pickle's only attempts at writing poetry, turned out to have been copied
>>>>> nearly verbatim from well known writers, changing only enough words to
>>>>> thwart any attempts to pull the originals up on a Google search.
>>>>>
>>>>> Pickles was an unwitting shill for you.  You knew that his inflammatory
>>>>> outbursts would draw the negative attention away from you -- which is
>>>>> precisely why you brought him here.
>>>>>
>>>>> You're still trying to use him right here and now as a means of
>>>>> deflecting my fire.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> From there, you and your troll thug wannabe attempted and sometimes
>>>>>> succeeded in driving other poets away from Usenet.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know who was responsible for driving the illiterate, formerly
>>>>> homeless redneck known as Vinyl Cat from the group, but she brought that
>>>>> on herself.  (Details provided in other threads.)  As with Pickles,
>>>>> you're still using her to deflect fire from yourself.
>>>>>
>>>>> But then tossing friends under the bus has always been the Donkey way.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> All that ended with the demise of Google Groups apparently, and if you
>>>>>> guys are happy with Facebook, go for it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Happy?  I'm downright thrilled.  Out year end issue is chock full of top
>>>>> notch poetry, color artwork, and award-winning poets.  We had an amazing
>>>>> year, with contributions from Scott Thomas, Louise Webster, Bruce
>>>>> Boston, Robert Cabeen, Carlos Deleon, Jefferson Carter, Ruth Housman,
>>>>> Trinity Venter, and other established poets gracing our pages.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Meanwhile, the Usenet newsgroup AAPC continues and will continue, and
>>>>>> hopefully will grow during 2025.
>>>>>
>>>>> Right... over the past 12 months, you've grown from approximately 12
>>>>> members to 3.  Kudos.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> You and George not only launched threads attacking Bobby, but created
>>>>>>> similar threads attacking everyone who wasn't a member of your "team."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Actually, you, Nancy Gene and Jim Senetto were doing that as far back as
>>>>>> 2017.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It seems now that you're trying to misrepresent and lie about what
>>>>>> happened.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The truth is in the archives.
>>>>>
>>>>> And you'd been doing it as far back as 2002.
>>>>
>>>> Usenet newsgroups have always had flame wars, it comes with the
>>>> territory.
>>>>
>>>>>>> I originally came to this group to promote my just-published poetry
>>>>>>> collection in 2010.  At that time, AAPC was a wasteland -- much as it is
>>>>>>> today, only the dozens of spam posts advertising drugs have been
>>>>>>> replaced by dozens of spam posts of Stinky G slurping your poetry.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I returned a few years later when the spam quotient had drastically been
>>>>>>> reduced, and when there seemed to be more than two members (you and
>>>>>>> George, of course) desperately in search of a conversation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I came here to post and discuss poetry.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Same here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Unfortunately, the atmosphere was so toxic, that I was forced to pick a
>>>>>>> side in an ongoing flame war, which proved to be a colossal waste of
>>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since you lost the flavor war, right.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sorry, Donkey, but I've no recollection of this "flavor war."
>>>>> Please remind me as to which flavor I supported (I'm guessing vanilla,
>>>>> pumpkin spice, or pistachio) and which flavor (or flavors) won out over
>>>>> it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Because I realized what Usenet AAPC *could* become, I stuck around and
>>>>>>> did my best to create a much more attractive atmosphere that would
>>>>>>> attract, rather than repel, poets.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You did your best to drive some poets away, Pendragon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why do you lie and misrepresent so much, Michael Pendragon?
>>>>>
>>>>> Why do you keep repeating the same old whines, Donkey?
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Unfortunately, the toxicity here only worsened, to the point at which it
>>>>>>> sank into an all-out state of no-hold-barred warfare.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That was by your choice, Pendragon.
>>>>>
>>>>> It was a last ditch attempt to bring you to the table, Donkey.
>>>>>
>>>>> When it was just you annoying everyone, we had nothing to bargain with.
>>>>>
>>>>> Once you were starting to get attacked in return, we had something to
>>>>> bargain with.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> When Google Groups pulled the plug, it seemed like the perfect
>>>>>>> opportunity to create a group
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure, if you can't take Usenet then it's probably a good idea to go
>>>>>> elsewhere, yes.
>>>>>
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