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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: Whether something is RISC or not (Re: PDP-8 theology, not Concertina II Progress) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2024 21:34:33 +0000 Organization: Rocksolid Light Message-ID: <018ebe1f2f8bd9aced9c25c9aca5effe@www.novabbs.org> References: <uigus7$1pteb$1@dont-email.me> <umvnh2$27m0$1@gal.iecc.com> <868r55parv.fsf@linuxsc.com> <jwv4jfk7vet.fsf-monnier+comp.arch@gnu.org> <unni2h$1qgc$2@gal.iecc.com> <2024Jan11.080258@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <hFeoN.153631$c3Ea.77560@fx10.iad> <ae65920bbb2ea09c74d0ea7584604b0f@www.novabbs.com> <sEWoN.224880$xHn7.139333@fx14.iad> <uvkh3q$ihej$2@dont-email.me> <uvl5hj$q0so$1@dont-email.me> <550600971b1a36b4b630c496cb21b96b@www.novabbs.org> <vdhkcs$2s651$1@dont-email.me> <XvKcne3xI5Uz_GD7nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@earthlink.com> <vdjr6b$39tl2$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="301198"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="o5SwNDfMfYu6Mv4wwLiW6e/jbA93UAdzFodw5PEa6eU"; User-Agent: Rocksolid Light X-Rslight-Site: $2y$10$tMeRArPSQil0ttsjI1x4C.0gRsnP.evjRLacgADrcohgLgRmD1kKG X-Rslight-Posting-User: cb29269328a20fe5719ed6a1c397e21f651bda71 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Bytes: 2695 Lines: 27 On Wed, 2 Oct 2024 16:08:43 +0000, Brett wrote: > David Schultz <david.schultz@earthlink.net> wrote: >> On 10/1/24 3:00 PM, Thomas Koenig wrote: >>> MitchAlsup1 <mitchalsup@aol.com> schrieb: >>> >>>> A 32-bit bus would have priced the 68K at 30%-50% higher simply >>>> due to the number of pins on available packages. This would have >>>> eliminated any chance at competing for the broad markets at that >>>> time. >>> >>> Would have an external 16-bit bus and an internal 32-bit bus have >>> been advantageous, or would this have blown a likely transistor >>> budget for little gain? >> >> Saving an extra pass through the 16 bit ALU for a 32 bit operation would >> be faster. Assuming that you didn't have to wait for another bus cycle >> to get the other half of an operand. >> >> Making it faster for register to register operations and not much else. > > A 16 bit barrel roller does not make sense, and Motorola had no idea > that shifts would be so important. In the original 68000, a barrel shifter would have blown the area budget--it would have been about equal to the d-section; even in 16-bit form. Remember this was a 1 layer metal design before poly silicon was in the process.