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From: Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid>
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Subject: Re: Whoops! The Atlantic Makes Trump Look EPIC In Cover Intended as a Smear
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2024 09:15:50 -0700
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On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 21:47:49 -0400, Cryptoengineer
<petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 9/18/2024 6:45 PM, William Hyde wrote:
>> Paul S Person wrote:
>>> On Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:29:18 -0000 (UTC), Don <g@crcomp.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> <snippo>
>>>> Far sighted Bacon knew it would take centuries for his vision to =
come
>>>> true. Should Trump singlehandedly reverse centuries of sociological
>>>> ratcheting it'd be enough to make Bacon "sing the blues" as they =
say.
>>>> Only the blues didn't exist back in Bacon's day - ergo "Flow My =
Tears."
>>>
>>> John Dowland, born 2 years after Francis Bacon and so a contemporary
>>> of his, wrote, among others, lute songs with titles like:
>>>
>>> Can She Excuse My Wrongs
>>> I Saw My Lady Weep
>>> and
>>> Flow My Tears
>>>
>>> so, yes, I would say people in Bacon's day sung the blues, even if =
the
>>> genre by that name did not exist yet.
>>>
>>> I wouldn't rule out such songs in Ancient Rome, or even Classical
>>> Greece.
>>>
>>> As I said elsewhere, songs about problems with romance appearto have
>>> been around for a /very/ long time.
>>=20
>> But he could also be less serious.
>>=20
>> In a song the singer tells of his love for Cynthia, and how he carves=20
>> her name into a tree.
>>=20
>> But later in the same song:
>>=20
>> "If Cynthia crave her ring of me I blot her name out of the tree".
>
>Is 'Greensleeves' an early Blues song?

I have no idea.

I /do/ know that Flanders & Swann ascribe it to King Henry VIII. Which
is credited with making it /very/ popular among those wishing to keep
their heads.

And, since the genre "Blues" did not exist then, it could only be a
"blues" song at best, and possibly not even that, depending on how
much semantic goo applies to musical genres and their names.
--=20
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"