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From: bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertietaylor)
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On Sun, 2 Feb 2025 20:30:16 +0000, J. J. Lodder wrote:

> Bertietaylor <bertietaylor@myyahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 2 Feb 2025 10:39:19 +0000, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>
>>> Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> wrote:
>>>
>>>> W dniu 01.02.2025 o 23:28, J. J. Lodder pisze:
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nobody is "rejecting Euclid"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A lie. Of course.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Because you say so? I checked: nobody is "rejecting Euclid".
>>>>>
>>>>> Indeed, and au contraire:
>>>>
>>>>> Nowadays Euclidean geometry is -defined- as that kind of geometry
>>>>> in which the Pythagorean theorem holds.
>>>>
>>>> And - according to the teachings of your moronic church -
>>>> does  Pythagorean theorem hold? For real?
>>>> Poor stinker Python has never answerred, he's always
>>>> dodging and changing the subject. How about you?
>>>
>>> You might have noticed that I make it a habit
>>> of never replying to your silly rants.
>>> I'll make an exception for once,
>>> because you are trying to mislead the innocent kiddies
>>> who might stray in here.
>>>
>>> Of course the Pythagorean theorem holds -in Euclidean geometry-.
>>> A forteriori, it -defines- Euclidean geometry, nowadays.
>>
>> The Pythagoras theorem is just that. Euclidean geometry is defined by
>> axioms or self-evident and unquestionable truths upon which all theorems
>> are derived. Not the other way around.
>
> What is axiom, and what is theorem,
> is in some cases merely a matter of taste.

No, it is not a matter of taste. It is invincible deductive logic and
that is not to the taste of those who profit from confusion. That is,
the e=mcc wallahs.

> The // axiom-theorem is a case in point.
> You can take it as an axiom, and prove Pythagoras,
> or you can take Pythagoras, and prove the //-theorem.

No. From axioms you find theorems including P.
>
> And FYI, the // axiom was never accepted as 'self-evident',
> by the most mathematicians.

Not up to the 70s when they taught Euclid in schools.

> There have been lots of attempts to prove it from the other axioms,
> until Gauss and others proved that this is a futile excercise,
> by showing that it is an independent axiom that you can leave or take.
>
>>> It does of course not hold in any other kind of geometry,
>>> by definition,
>>
>> All other geometries are mappings based on Euclidean geometry, if we are
>> talking engineering sense.
>
> The // axiom/theorem has nothing to do with engineering. [1]
> OTOH, Pythagoras does,
>
> Jan
>
> [1] Engineers don't build infinitely large structures.