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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.nk.ca!rocksolid2!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---x86 code is a liar? Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2024 20:37:22 -0500 Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <0378d69cb2932277db2ddeaa53635eb4ceb29e3d@i2pn2.org> References: <vfli1h$fj8s$1@dont-email.me> <vgdjdq$1jr80$1@dont-email.me> <b24e957b9f2af15c0ba7f18a3f7bfe2c6ff6419d@i2pn2.org> <vgegce$1phg2$1@dont-email.me> <e36afcb3758e0fb26d58019c08a24c6df0b562a7@i2pn2.org> <vgenp1$1uh1b$2@dont-email.me> <acecb0ba68d86b00c95fae1ecf690ec514aee26b@i2pn2.org> <vgfq86$24mon$1@dont-email.me> <e7a092c593ad1431a1bf6589d0102312545612ef@i2pn2.org> <vghb16$2ge1v$1@dont-email.me> <e51f21daadd358ef13801c918106c2fdc65a9f6b@i2pn2.org> <vghe3p$2gr3p$1@dont-email.me> <4cb98b3918d6745f53bb19582b59e786d4af5022@i2pn2.org> <vghgar$2h30o$1@dont-email.me> <e40629600e317dba47dd3d066d83899fa7b8a7ab@i2pn2.org> <vgiq1d$2nkqv$1@dont-email.me> <c7372fcf786ecb5e394cf44079e5ff126899e252@i2pn2.org> <vgk26b$31qrg$2@dont-email.me> <17a781f4479f0c8fb2c02d40a55e5cfa7a0f4847@i2pn2.org> <vgl967$37h38$7@dont-email.me> <78a3858469721b9c70c6672df4bf2c03e0492d70@i2pn2.org> <vgmdge$3ecms$1@dont-email.me> <f157303ea6a750b5c42878bb6464ddca0821526d@i2pn2.org> <vgme3d$3egga$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2024 01:37:23 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="1603715"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="diqKR1lalukngNWEqoq9/uFtbkm5U+w3w6FQ0yesrXg"; User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird In-Reply-To: <vgme3d$3egga$1@dont-email.me> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 4954 Lines: 89 On 11/8/24 8:32 PM, olcott wrote: > On 11/8/2024 7:28 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >> On 11/8/24 8:22 PM, olcott wrote: >>> On 11/8/2024 11:01 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>> On 11/8/24 10:02 AM, olcott wrote: >>>>> On 11/8/2024 6:25 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>> On 11/7/24 10:56 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>> On 11/7/2024 9:10 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>> On 11/7/24 11:31 AM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> DDD emulated by HHH has the property that DDD never reaches >>>>>>>>> its "return" instruction final halt state. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But DDD emulated by HHH isn't an objective property of DDD. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It <is> a semantic property of that finite string pair. >>>>>>> It <is> a semantic property of that finite string pair. >>>>>>> It <is> a semantic property of that finite string pair. >>>>>>> It <is> a semantic property of that finite string pair. >>>>>>> It <is> a semantic property of that finite string pair. >>>>>>> It <is> a semantic property of that finite string pair. >>>>>>> It <is> a semantic property of that finite string pair. >>>>>>> It <is> a semantic property of that finite string pair. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> No it isn't >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Liar. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> No, you are, becuase you don't know know what the words mean. >>>> >>>> The semantic property is the results of the COMPLETE emulation of >>>> the input given to HHH, >>> >>> That you keep going back to the moronic idea of completely >>> emulating a non-terminating input makes you look quite stupid. >> >> Why do you say that? >> >> It is the DEFINITION of a semantic property. >> > > *You yourself have already disagreed with that* > > On 11/3/2024 12:20 PM, Richard Damon wrote: > > On 11/3/24 9:39 AM, olcott wrote: > >> > >> The finite string input to HHH specifies that HHH > >> MUST EMULATE ITSELF emulating DDD. > > > > Right, and it must CORRECTLY determine what an unbounded > > emulation of that input would do, even if its own programming > > only lets it emulate a part of that. > > > So, you don't understand what an "unbound emulation" is. Sorry, you are just proving your ignorance. An "Unbound Emulation" is a term of art that means an emulation that proceeds for an unbouned number of steps, in lay-terms, and infinite number of steps. That is the same as "Completely". >> You are just proving your stupidity by judging things by your un- >> informed and incorrect opinion rather than the definitions. >> >> Sorry, you are just proving how utterly stupid you are and that you >> are nothing but a pathological liar. >> >>> >>>> not its partial emulation, and the complete emulation is of the DDD >>>> using THAT HHH, the one that aborts and returns the answer if that >>>> is the one you are claiming to be giving the right answer. >>>> >>>> Sorry, you are just proving your stupidity and ignorance. >>> >>> >> > >