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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis --- Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2024 11:44:48 -0400 Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <0676eb85da3cd1319597a2923f6c9ddc915a59ca@i2pn2.org> References: <vfli1h$fj8s$1@dont-email.me> <vflue8$3nvp8$2@i2pn2.org> <vfmd8m$k2m7$1@dont-email.me> <bcd82d9f8a987d3884220c0df7b8f7204cb9de3e@i2pn2.org> <vfmueh$mqn9$1@dont-email.me> <ff039b922cabbb6d44f90aa71a52d8c2f446b6ab@i2pn2.org> <vfo95k$11qs1$1@dont-email.me> <vfp8c0$3tobi$2@i2pn2.org> <vfpbtq$1837o$2@dont-email.me> <vfq4h9$1fo1n$1@dont-email.me> <vfqpi3$1iaob$4@dont-email.me> <vfqsng$1gikg$1@dont-email.me> <vfsadf$1urkc$1@dont-email.me> <vft4kp$23a0h$1@dont-email.me> <vfvo2o$2ln20$1@dont-email.me> <vg09p2$2kq69$1@dont-email.me> <vg0a9h$2op6r$1@dont-email.me> <fd8bf90393a5bcb10f7913da9081421637262590@i2pn2.org> <vg14nd$2t4b1$1@dont-email.me> <SGUUO.312650$kxD8.126005@fx11.iad> <vg16dl$2th77$1@dont-email.me> <vg2b6j$374jn$1@dont-email.me> <vg2gg1$37lpn$5@dont-email.me> <vg4onc$3ngof$1@dont-email.me> <vg4uem$3o3ca$1@dont-email.me> <vg50qo$3or7a$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2024 15:44:48 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="612889"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="diqKR1lalukngNWEqoq9/uFtbkm5U+w3w6FQ0yesrXg"; User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <vg50qo$3or7a$1@dont-email.me> Bytes: 3061 Lines: 26 On 11/2/24 7:01 AM, olcott wrote: > On 11/2/2024 5:21 AM, Andy Walker wrote: >> On 02/11/2024 08:43, Mikko wrote: >>>>> A false assertion is a lie even if nobody asserts it. >> [PO:] >>>> Not at all. The base meaning of {lie} requires intentional >>>> deception. >>> That may be its base meaning but the full meaning includes >>> all false statements. The statement itself does not change >>> when someone states it so there is no clear advantage in >>> saying that the statement was not a lie until someone stated >>> it. >> >> Disagree. There is a clear advantage in distinguishing those >> who make [honest] mistakes from those who wilfully mislead. We all >> make mistakes; that, of itself, does not make us all liars. Not only >> is there the matter of intent, there is also a need for context. Many >> claims [esp, but not only, in science] veer from truth to falsity to >> truth again, depending on the then-current state of knowledge, or even >> the then-current state of public opinion. It would be daft if we all >> had to qualify /everything/ we said by "I believe ..." to make it true >> even if what I believe turns out to be false. >> > > Thanks for your rationality. >