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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: The Universe Is Not A Sphere Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2024 23:12:08 +0000 Organization: novaBBS Message-ID: <075f573dffa632505fff3471049a33ed@www.novabbs.com> References: <fba4f14050cf7d238a88b4d7e3e88093@www.novabbs.com> <bf735594dff7dd8051c2646906cee9dc@www.novabbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="2187371"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="HcQFdl4zp4UQRQ9N18ivMn6Fl9V8n4SPkK4oZHLgYdQ"; User-Agent: Rocksolid Light X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 X-Rslight-Site: $2y$10$4GEXB57EvZxllLaHGcpSBejrq9j1TnS2wPWLGBy09D.tW6uKayMWy X-Rslight-Posting-User: a2f761a7401f13abeefca3440f16b2f27b708180 Bytes: 2534 Lines: 23 Mr. Hertz: "While many astronomers believed the material universe to be roughly identical to the Milky Way, Arrhenius based his cosmology on what would later be called the perfect cosmological principle, the postulate that the largescale appearance of the universe is the same at any location and at any time. Arrhenius, who took Euclidean space to be self-evident, concluded that the law of entropy growth did not apply on a cosmic scale. By invoking radiation pressure and various energy transfer processes between stars and nebulae he suggested that the universe would never run down in the thermodynamic sense [Kragh 2013]. However, according to Poincaré’s detailed analysis in Hypothèses cosmogoniques [Poincaré 1911, 239–256], [Rhee 2018, 391–405], what he called “Arrhenius’ demon” might only retard the universal heat death, perhaps for an exceedingly long time, but it could never escape it.7 Schwarzschild [1913] agreed with Poincaré that Arrhenius’ demon would not work as promised and after the criticism of the two distinguished scientists, Arrhenius’ cosmological hypothesis was essentially abandoned by astronomers and physicists." -"Poincaré and Cosmic Space: Curved or not?" This is an example of giving too much ground to one's opponent and of the consensus making a stupid mistake. Arrhenius did not need a mechanism to prevent entropy because entropy does not apply to an open system such as an infinite universe. That is why they wanted to presume a finite universe.