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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.math Subject: Re: Theory determines what we observe. --Albert Einstein Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2025 03:30:21 +0000 Organization: Rocksolid Light Message-ID: <081ae3e8a6bed8cfcdeadf1fd7ae9473@www.novabbs.org> References: <68049149.3982@ix.netcom.com> <1rb3qin.q8hf354phnshN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> <vu3gvb$9leb$2@solani.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="1215808"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="8Ljlg8xw5cAHatvjdHGGjEHKUx9ddlqxMwQzk4UFm4k"; User-Agent: Rocksolid Light X-Rslight-Site: $2y$10$TyDok0MPxh8UCuNQm0GWeu1p.HP73bgKNCnRP8ToDydUN.leyXaSW X-Rslight-Posting-User: d6bc49351b0faa08a25d2b434d815198335a8b45 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 On Sun, 20 Apr 2025 19:12:43 +0000, Physfitfreak wrote: > On 4/20/25 1:28 PM, J. J. Lodder wrote: >> The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >> >>> "Theory determines what we observe." --Albert Einstein Nothing could be more wrong. What we observe updates theory. Provided we are honest and truthful, detailed and comprehensive, not blinded by current theory. In other words hobbyists find and declare what is what. Careerists repeat them. >>> >>> >>> "Physics and Reality" (1936) ˆ an essay published in the Journal of the >>> Franklin Institute. >>> In it, Einstein says: >>> "Whether you can observe a thing or not depends on the theory which you >>> use. It is the theory which decides what can be observed." No wonder future generations will hold Einstein as the most successful bullshitter in human history. Still going on, globally, on the top institutional scale, Einstein's bullshitting. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Now, let me explain what are one of the things that could mean... >> >> [snip misunderstandings] >> >> It is a reply to Heisenberg. >> ==== >> Werner Heisenberg said, "We have to remember that what we observe is not >> nature in itself but nature exposed to our method of questioning." >> === Reasonable. >> >> With quantum mechanics the supposedly straightforward relation >> between experiment and 'reality' has been lost. Because just as relativity is depravity quantum is bunkum. Follow Arindam. Woof woof Bertietaylor >> >> >> Jan >> > > > That's loose talk from begin to end. > > Either you don't know how to carefully extract Heisenberg's note from > the context, or your Heisenberg himself was making loose nonsense talk. > > The nature "exposed to our method of questioning" is also "nature in > itself" of course!.. Does it need a Physfit's dick to clarify it? > > Silly woman! No woman is as pigheaded as this Lodder, a male Dutch. --