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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: joes <noreply@example.org> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH1 --- STA Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2025 13:52:46 -0000 (UTC) Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <0b211b499961466f2b6a69af2f9a337c9f59bf9b@i2pn2.org> References: <vrfuob$256og$1@dont-email.me> <vsaam4$2sfhq$1@dont-email.me> <vsbi7e$1hblk$1@dont-email.me> <vsc6qi$27lbo$2@dont-email.me> <8a3e7e93e6cad20b29d23405a0e6dbd497a492ac@i2pn2.org> <vscegq$2fv3s$2@dont-email.me> <26f33bb039fda7d28ae164cfc4d0f582d4698f31@i2pn2.org> <vsclsb$2n4jc$1@dont-email.me> <36a4c76730b23cf78ddde73c723116b5380973a1@i2pn2.org> <vsctnm$2ub5m$2@dont-email.me> <4285ea3219a2d5f2d6c52e84697fa4e3d3dc80cb@i2pn2.org> <vsd18m$379dn$1@dont-email.me> <vsdjff$3o5ff$1@dont-email.me> <vsem50$th5g$3@dont-email.me> <77c20f5832db4b47f5226dcb39bd2be7ba107a0c@i2pn2.org> <vsf8tv$1i673$2@dont-email.me> <5cb726749c8a7457af5da692f77c6a04bc0c7401@i2pn2.org> <vsfdqb$1m8qr$2@dont-email.me> <733db53c4b67cf1fbbd45fdf503b1d27539b7414@i2pn2.org> <vsfigf$1r8rb$2@dont-email.me> <bf1e010d6259a4e5e1118f51856f3c72a0094b34@i2pn2.org> <vsht8v$90ss$6@dont-email.me> <524b81bf3658a42bcba56f807fce28bfea67d36f@i2pn2.org> <vsi7tk$jd38$4@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2025 13:52:46 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="2818780"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="nS1KMHaUuWOnF/ukOJzx6Ssd8y16q9UPs1GZ+I3D0CM"; User-Agent: Pan/0.145 (Duplicitous mercenary valetism; d7e168a git.gnome.org/pan2) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Bytes: 3111 Lines: 31 Am Tue, 01 Apr 2025 21:37:40 -0500 schrieb olcott: > On 4/1/2025 8:13 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >> On 4/1/25 7:35 PM, olcott wrote: >>> On 4/1/2025 5:36 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>> On 3/31/25 10:19 PM, olcott wrote: >>>> But DDD doesn't prevent its own terminatation, as it calls an HHH >>>> that WILL abort its emulation and return and answer. >>>> >>> You know that DDD stopping running and DDD reaching its final halt >>> state are not the same thing you damned liar. >>> >> Right, the DDD who's simulation is stopped hasn't shown non-halting >> behavior, just not-yet-halted. >> > You already admitted that you are lying about this. > DDD emulated by HHH for an infinite number of steps never reaches its > final halt state. *finite > HHH sees this in one recursive emulation of DDD. > > *Simulating termination analyzer Principle* > It is always correct for any simulating termination analyzer to stop > simulating and reject any input that would otherwise prevent its own > termination. The only rebuttal to this is rejecting the notion that > deciders must always halt. It must also return the right value. -- Am Sat, 20 Jul 2024 12:35:31 +0000 schrieb WM in sci.math: It is not guaranteed that n+1 exists for every n.