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From: mariabus@blueyonder.co.uk (Roger)
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Subject: Re: CHESS LABEL FAVORITES
Date: Sun, 11 May 2025 04:58:08 +0000
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On Sat, 10 May 2025 21:44:05 +0000, Bruce wrote:

> On Sat, 10 May 2025 18:40:12 +0000, Roger wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 9 May 2025 19:51:21 +0000, Bruce wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 9 May 2025 19:35:50 +0000, Roger wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 9 May 2025 18:41:00 +0000, Bruce wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Roger, do you agree with the following statement?
>>>>>
>>>>> Atlantic's biggest hit single of the 50's was "Mack The Knife" by Bobby
>>>>> Darin.
>>>>
>>>> I think its better(and more accurately) presented as "Atlantic's biggest
>>>> hit single of the '50's was "Mack The Knife" by Bobby Darin on the
>>>> subsidiary Atco label"
>>>
>>> I don't see that as "more accurate." They are both just as accurate. One
>>> just adds extra non pertinent information. The actual label on the 45
>>> does not in any way change the crux of the statement.
>>>
>> That's nonsense! The description I used conveys more accurate
>> information which is certainly pertinent and which is consequently more
>> accurate than yours
>
> In order for yours to be "more accurate" there must be something about
> mine that is inaccurate.
>
> Yours goes into more detail, but that's very different from being "more
> accurate."
>
> If I say "JFK won the 1960 Presidential election" and you say "JFK won
> the 1960 presidential election when he beat Richard Nixon," yours is not
> more accurate at all. It's just more detailed. Something does not become
> "more accurate" when more details are added.
>
> If someone else said "JFK from Massachusetts won the 1960 Presidential
> election when he beat Richard Nixon of California, it is not more
> accurate than saying "JFK won the 1960 presidential election when he
> beat Richard Nixon," it's just more detailed, but just as accurate.
> Something does not become more accurate merely because more details are
> added. More thorough, maybe, but not more accurate.

All true yes but the example does not really compare to the Darin
statement
>
> If I take your "Mack The Knife" statement of "Atlantic's biggest hit
> single of the '50's was "Mack The Knife" by Bobby Darin on the
> subsidiary Atco label."
> And add to it so it now says "Atlantic's biggest hit single of the '50's
> was "Mack The Knife" by Bobby Darin on the subsidiary Atco label #6147,
> with the song "Was There A Call For Me" on the flip side." That does not
> make the statement more accurate, just more detailed. In fact, I would
> say that overall it would be worse to add extra information because it
> takes some of the focus off of the main point that is trying to be made.

I agree with that. THe flipside info whilst accurate is,in this
case,pretty irrelevant

> So, "more detailed" is not necessarily "more accurate," ad sometimes it
> can cause the reader to miss the main point of the statement. The reader
> may really like the song on the flip side and focus more on that while
> not really absorbing the main point of the statement.

The bone of contention here is that your statement ""Atlantic's biggest
hit
single of the '50's was "Mack The Knife" by Bobby Darin" might have
"newbies"
looking for it--in vain--on the Atlantic listing posted the other day.
In that sense whilst true it can also be said to be misleading

Therefore my revised statement adding "on the subsidary Atco label"
certainly makes the sentence more accurate


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