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From: will.dockery@gmail.com (W.Dockery)
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Subject: Re: I Met A Girl / Will Dockery
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2025 05:49:32 +0000
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HarryLime wrote:

> Will Dockery wrote:
>>>> HarryLime wrote:
>>>>> Will Dockery wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Here's the original unedited version so the readers can decide for
>>>>>>>>>> themselves:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ***
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I Met A Girl
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I met a girl
>>>>>>>>>>>>> she came from California.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was in a dream
>>>>>>>>>>>>> we knew each other instantly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> She was a little freckled girl
>>>>>>>>>>>>> from out of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> my high school past.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And she looked up at me
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and talked real spacey.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've forgotten her name
>>>>>>>>>>>>> though she told it to me twice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We talked
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a really detached situation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> She said years ago
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was so shy
>>>>>>>>>>>>> she thought I was gay.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> At this point I kissed her
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and put my finger to her hole.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And she looked up at me
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and talked real spacey.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have forgotten her name
>>>>>>>>>>>>> though she told it to me twice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know why it was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that I would think of her.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I made a couple of puns
>>>>>>>>>>>>> about her name that made me blush.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But her softness in tone
>>>>>>>>>>>>> made me feel all right.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> All I want to do
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is get in contact.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Will Dockery / May 8 1982
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ***
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This poem was written in 1982, during my time in the Atlanta Georgia New
>>>>>>>>>> Wave punk rock scene, while also influenced by the earlier Beatnik poets
>>>>>>>>>> I was reading at the time, such as Allen Ginsberg, Jack Kerouac and
>>>>>>>>>> Charles Bukowski among others.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Both styles employed a sort of crude swagger in the tone and content
>>>>>>>>>> which I also used in many of my poems.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> All apologies to those offended.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I suppose that's a start.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Of course, an apologize is supposed to include owning up to one's
>>>>>>>>> mistake -- not attempting to justify it as beatnik inspired swagger.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You need to recognize that groping a woman you've just met is wrong.
>>>>>>>>> Regardless of whether she's a punk rocker, or that you were acting under
>>>>>>>>> the influence of beatnik poets.

It was 1982 and a very wild evening in Atlanta Georgia.

>>>>>>>> You're misrepresenting the scene again, Pendragon. We were just having
>>>>>>>> some fun, kissing and "making out" a little, as the young folks used to
>>>>>>>> call it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nothing as serious as you want to make it out to be.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> HTH and HAND.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your poem makes it out to be
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, that's just your misrepresentation of my poem, Pendragon.
>>>
>>>> Mainly, you continue to lie and misrepresent, Harry.
>>>>
>>>>> Answer my question
>>
>> I did, and continue to.
>>
>> See below:
>>
>>>> Okay, see below for my answer.
>>>>
>>>>> If you ran into some guy you'd barely known in high school
>>
>> I know a lot of people from all walks of life, so such a meeting would
>> be welcome.
>>
>> Of course I'd give him a autographed copy of my poetry book.
>>
>>>> Since that would be a completely different situation from the one in my
>>>> poem there would have been a completely different outcome.
>>>
>>> What's so different about it
>>
>> You don't know the difference between straight and gay sex?

Again ^^^

>> The events in my poem were consensual.

Nit to mention based on a dream.

>> Look that word up, Harry.
>
> "Consensual" is a label that you have applied to your poem

Because it applies.

> That you gender identify as heterosexual is 100% beside the point.

Usually, yes.

> Men often misread social cues from a woman, mistaking friendliness for
> flirting, and so on.  Just because you were feeling attracted to her,
> that doesn't mean that she was also feeling attracted to you

She definitely seemed to be.

> Over the years, you've painted a picture of yourself as an old horndog
> who'll jump in the sack with any woman who's willing (your admission to
> frequently employing the services of $10 whores shows just how
> unselective you are in this regard.

I confess I've had nights such as that.

> Remember the Seinfeld episode where Elaine was disgusted that the man
> she had been on a first date with "took *it* out"?  This man didn't even
> touch her body -- he simply exposed his male member to her.  And Elaine
> was far from being a prude.

A very different person and situation.

> I know that you gender identify as heterosexual

No shit, Sherlock.

> If, as you keep saying, this was the wild and crazy 80s, and you were
> with a group of wild and crazy punk rockers -- many of whom were openly
> engaging in sexual intercourse

That's not in the poem.

I simply would have said, "Sorry, man, I don't swing that way," and
moved on.

> Your insistence that the question wouldn't apply because you gender
> identify as heterosexual

Correct, I'm not gay.

HTH and HAND.