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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.nk.ca!rocksolid2!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: ltlee1@hotmail.com (ltlee1) Newsgroups: soc.culture.china Subject: From Copycat to Innovator Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2025 10:56:01 +0000 Organization: novaBBS Message-ID: <0bd1a9b4e375017fbd8a7e456e33ace7@www.novabbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="1535143"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="pxsmGrN7Y7mF0hfJcY//7F6kiWqDRq/tZN4FOOcim3s"; User-Agent: Rocksolid Light X-Rslight-Site: $2y$10$urj.Rjd9TlzbrK1zcUZLi.bT8lEEc2r.5djTSEMqsXt9HoSniRZvO X-Rslight-Posting-User: 0099cdd7dc5bd7b25c488bf8bcfab81a117b2ffc X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Bytes: 3798 Lines: 55 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- A homegrown version of the extreme ultra-violet lithography system needed to produce the most advanced chips is on trial at a Huawei facility, say reports. Picture of Iain Morris Iain Morris, International Editor March 14, 2025 ... According to various reports that seem to have originated in China, an EUV system called laser-induced discharge plasma (LDP) technology has been going through tests at a Huawei facility in Dongguan. One report says it has been able to generate the 13.5-nanometer wavelength by "vaporizing tin between electrodes and converting it to plasma via high-voltage discharge, where electron-ion collisions produce the required wavelength." ASML has relied on an alternative EUV technique called laser-produced plasma (LPP), which seems to involve the use of higher-energy lasers than LDP needs. "It's a pretty cool technique because it's actually simpler than what ASML does," said Earl Lum, a chips expert and the founder of EJL Wireless Research. "It could be cheaper to make the machine because of the strategy that ASML had to use." Trials do not mean a Chinese flavor of EUV is close to commercial deployment, of course, and a few press reports that leave many questions unanswered must be treated with a generous dose of skepticism. ASML's share price fell 7% on March 10, days after the reports about China's apparent EUV breakthrough. But this may have been linked to more general concerns about tariffs and their economic impact. Other chip stocks also suffered. Even so, the idea that ASML has an unassailable position in EUV looks increasingly suspect and hubristic. The claims made about DeepSeek, a Chinese AI model supposedly much more efficient than OpenAI and other western fare, have been taken seriously by various technical experts outside China, including some chief technology officers who attended this month's Mobile World Congress (MWC) in Barcelona. If China can potentially beat the US in AI software, why not in other areas, too?" From copycat to innovator Huawei, which declined to comment on the reports about EUV testing in Dongguan, was subject to the same western contempt when it first entered the market for mobile basestation products. Initially, it was derided as a copycat and thief of US intellectual property, selling products that mimicked those of European and US rivals at knockdown prices. By the time 5G was launched, it was recognized as an innovator by the chief technology officers of European telcos buying its products. Huawei had in the space of two mobile generations apparently overtaken Ericsson on product quality – boasting the industry's best metrics for the weight, performance and energy efficiency of its most advanced 5G radios. ... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------