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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: joes <noreply@example.org> Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: How many different unit fractions are lessorequal than all unit fractions? Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2024 16:02:54 -0000 (UTC) Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <0c8b8cc706aae1ac1f735f60ecc76b5df3f9d5a9@i2pn2.org> References: <vb4rde$22fb4$2@solani.org> <vb6o0r$3a4m1$2@dont-email.me> <7e1e3f62-1fba-4484-8e34-6ff8f1e54625@att.net> <vbabbm$24a94$1@solani.org> <06ee7920-eff2-4687-be98-67a89b301c93@att.net> <38ypmjbnu3EfnKYR4tSIu-WavbA@jntp> <34e11216-439f-4b11-bdff-1a252ac98f8f@att.net> <vbd56i$fqa0$1@dont-email.me> <vbdbq3$gdoe$2@dont-email.me> <vbes57$qdqo$2@dont-email.me> <27b3b5e088d82d4475c68a64f50a4bccac9c6f29@i2pn2.org> <vbesjo$27gfe$1@solani.org> <vbf0s9$qp1j$3@dont-email.me> <vbfpf5$utdu$2@dont-email.me> <vbh5qe$19a45$1@dont-email.me> <vbhdf6$1btm1$1@dont-email.me> <vbhdsh$1btm1$2@dont-email.me> <vbhj65$1bi3k$3@dont-email.me> <9eeba8a5041ce7ee48e5019d9e98d4ea38a1eb72@i2pn2.org> <vbhkmo$1bi3l$8@dont-email.me> <89ed6d8de6c20d65e869d384181b642309f63bc4@i2pn2.org> <vbkv1r$20uoi$4@dont-email.me> <7a991922c09e309450ac278f884091dfe716cae3@i2pn2.org> <vbmij2$2ce0a$4@dont-email.me> <20d29fc87d2bab70a7a7c18a3f79b093a4c2b647@i2pn2.org> <vbn322$2em19$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2024 16:02:54 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="1409728"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="nS1KMHaUuWOnF/ukOJzx6Ssd8y16q9UPs1GZ+I3D0CM"; User-Agent: Pan/0.145 (Duplicitous mercenary valetism; d7e168a git.gnome.org/pan2) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Bytes: 3894 Lines: 39 Am Mon, 09 Sep 2024 17:08:49 +0200 schrieb WM: > On 09.09.2024 13:49, joes wrote: >> Am Mon, 09 Sep 2024 12:27:47 +0200 schrieb WM: >>> On 08.09.2024 22:11, Richard Damon wrote: >>>> On 9/8/24 3:48 PM, WM wrote: >>> >>>>> Select any gap between one of the first ℵo unit fractions and its >>>>> neighbour. Call its size x. Then ℵo unit fractions cannot fit into >>>>> the interval (0, x), independent of the actual size. >>>> But that is changing the value of x in the middle of the problem >>>> which isn't allowed. >>>> Given that new x, we can choose a new set of Aleph_0 unit fractions >>>> below that x. >>> ℵo unit fractions are claimed to be smaller than every x > 0. If that >>> is true then I can choose as the x one of the ℵo intervals between two >>> of them. >> More precisely: every positive x has infinitely many smaller unit >> fractions (mind the quantifier order). > The quantifier order related to the problem is this: NUF(x) = ℵo means: > There exist ℵo unit fractions smaller than any x > 0. If this is not > true, then there are fewer. How many unit fractions are smaller than any > x > 0. THAT is the question. None. But all are differente. Hence there > must be a first one smaller than all other unit fractions. The wrong quantifier order is: „There is a fixed infinite set of unit fractions, which are all less than any positive x.” The right one is: Any positive x has AN infinite set of unit fractions less than it. (Those sets are different; the one <0.4 is missing 1/2 compared the set of UFs <0.75 but of course still infinite.) How do you get to the „hence”? >> A number is not an interval. > An interval has a length that can be expressed by a real number: > 1/n - 1/(n+1) = x . > Then the interval (0, x) contains not all unit fractions, for instance > not 1/n. But still infinitely many, since only finitely many are missing. -- Am Sat, 20 Jul 2024 12:35:31 +0000 schrieb WM in sci.math: It is not guaranteed that n+1 exists for every n.