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On Tue, 10 Jun 2025 16:23:02 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On 6/10/2025 12:58 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 6/10/2025 11:33 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> On 6/10/2025 10:55 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>>>> On 6/10/2025 9:08 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/la-county-and-state- to-purge-15- 
>>>>> million-inactive-voters-from-rolls/6866/
>>>>
>>>> Inactive voters are registered voters who have not voted in a certain 
>>>> number of previous elections. Obviously, they had no effect on the 
>>>> election.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://apnews.com/article/ohio-voters-citizenship- 
>>>>> referrals-42799a379bdda8bca7201d6c42f99c65
>>>>
>>>> Per that link, there were 138 "non-ohio citizens" out of 8 million 
>>>> votes cast.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.illinoisreview.com/illinoisreview/2017/09/ chicago-more- 
>>>>> votes-than-registered-voters.html
>>>>
>>>> This was a right wing media ruse, where cook county votes being 
>>>> tallied in Chicago - because that's where cook county votes are 
>>>> tallied - outnumbered the the total number of registered voters in 
>>>> Chicago.
>>>>
>>>> welll.....duuuuuhhhhhh.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> To "not significant numbers" I say our elections are routinely 
>>>>> decided on small fractions of 1%.
>>>> The evidence is not there to support any accusation that a close 
>>>> election was decided by illegal votes.
>>> And the right wing strategies to correct this alleged problem almost 
>>> invariably hinge on making it more difficult for poor, or minority, or 
>>> legitimate immigrant people to vote.
>>>
>>> Andrew has said something like he'd rather see a guilty person go free 
>>> rather than have an innocent person executed, or words to that effect. 
>>> That is, we should presume innocence unless guilt is proven.
>>>
>>> To extend that logic to voting, we shouldn't use the _myth_ of 
>>> significant voter fraud to deprive innocent people of their right to 
>>> vote.
>>>
>>> I don't believe this controversy is a big issue in other developed 
>>> countries. It's another way the right wing manufactures imaginary 
>>> problems in America.
>>>
>>>
>> 
>> Not my original idea.
>> It's rooted in English Common Law and neatly phrased by Benjamin 
>> Franklin. 
>
>The phrase 'better that 100 guilty men go free than one innocent 
>punished' is a grade-school civics class lesson (at least, it was 6th 
>grade for me).
>
>I had to google to refresh my 52-year-old recollection. He wrote it in a 
>letter Benjamin Vaughan in 1786 - a negotiator for the Brits at the 
>Treaty of Paris (no, my 6th grade civics didn't get that far into it)
>
>Franklin was paraphrasing  Sir William Blackstone in his "Commentaries 
>on the Laws of England" (1771): "all presumptive evidence of felony 
>should be admitted cautiously: for the law holds, that it is better that 
>ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer.”"
>
>> I quoted him while noting the belief is widely, and justly, 
>> held in USA.
>
>Yeah....about that...
>  "I'm more concerned with bad guys who got out and released than I am 
>with a few that in fact were innocent."..."I have no problem as long as 
>we achieve our objective. ... I'd do it again in a minute."
>- Dick Cheney
>
>https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2014/12/cheney-alright-with-torture-of-innocent-people.html
>
>Simlarly, in  in Cambodia, Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge expressed the same 
>sentiment: "better arrest an innocent person than leave a guilty one free."
>- Pol Pot's Little Red Book
>
>The current administration doesn't seem too concerned that innocent 
>legal residents are being snatched and detained purely for political 
>purposes.
>
>
>Add xx to reply

Other than when Trump was charged purely for political purposes, I've
not seen any evidense of that. That mighr be because I mostly ignore
the rhetoric from the people who told me that Joe Biden was capable of
performing the duties of the POTUS.

--
C'est bon
Soloman