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From: will.dockery@gmail.com (W.Dockery)
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Subject: Re: The Return of Michael Monkey
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2025 19:29:32 +0000
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HarryLime wrote:
> Will Dockery wrote:
>> HarryLime wrote:
>>> Will Dockery wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 3 Feb 2025 13:03:55 +0000, HarryLime wrote:
>>>>>>> Will Dockery wrote:
>>>>>>>>> MummyChunk wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Again, why do you lie and misrepresent so much, monkey boy Michael
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pendragon?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just curious.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  Why is he called "monkey boy"???
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It seems that the origin stories vary.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It might come from the Pink Floyd Animals album, Lord of the Flies or
>>>>>>>>>>>> George
>>>>>>>>>>>> Orwell's Animal Farm, or possibly a mashup of all three.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm known as donkey, Pendleton is the monkey, Peter J. Ross was called
>>>>>>>>>>>> Piggy
>>>>>>>>>>>> (although PJR has been gone from the newsgroup for a couple of years
>>>>>>>>>>>> now).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think George Dance has always just been referred to as "Dunce"
>>>>>>>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That's the basics as I remember them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This is a response to the post seen at:
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=680817254#680817254
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Again, Donkey, this is the story of how "Monkey" and "Donkey" came
>>>>>>>>>>> about:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Since you've brought me back for one more day, Donkey, I'll answer your
>>>>>>>>>>> question here (and in the pointless duplicate thread you've created to
>>>>>>>>>>> ask it again it), as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The origin of "Will Donkey" had nothing to do with Gary Gamble.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Gary Gamble had left the group long before my arrival here.  And as far
>>>>>>>>>>> as I know, I have never interacted with him.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In fact, "Will Donkey" had nothing to do with anything said at AAPC.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I live in a very small house that was built in the 1920s.  I like to
>>>>>>>>>>> think of it as a rustic cottage or a cozy bungalow.  In order to expand
>>>>>>>>>>> the living space, one of the previous owners finished the basement, and
>>>>>>>>>>> turned it into a combination kitchen, dining room and bar.  I keep my
>>>>>>>>>>> computer down there, so when I'm online, I'm technically in the
>>>>>>>>>>> basement.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> About seven years ago (give or take), my wife sent our youngest child
>>>>>>>>>>> downstairs to see what I was doing.  He looked over my shoulder while I
>>>>>>>>>>> was posting something to Usenet AAPC, and shouted up to her "He's
>>>>>>>>>>> talking to Will Donkey the computer."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Since the idea of someone conversing with a donkey on computer is funny,
>>>>>>>>>>> it immediately became a running joke in our house.  "Daddy's talking to
>>>>>>>>>>> Will Donkey again," etc).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Since stubbornness is one of your strongest characteristics, I
>>>>>>>>>>> immediately began addressing you as "Will Donkey" in AAPC as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Monkey," otoh, came about when Karen Tellefsen wrote a satirical poem
>>>>>>>>>>> about our endless flame war here, set to the tune of "Pop Goes the
>>>>>>>>>>> Weasel." "Pop Goes the Weasel," in case you're unfamiliar with it, is a
>>>>>>>>>>> nursery rhyme about a monkey chasing a weasel around a cobbler's bench.
>>>>>>>>>>> In her poem, she replaced "Weasel" with "Donkey" (signifying you, as I
>>>>>>>>>>> had already started calling you "Will Donkey" at that time). She
>>>>>>>>>>> retained "Monkey" from the original because I often posted under my
>>>>>>>>>>> backup account here as "Coco DeSockmonkey."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I remember Coco.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You and George immediately started calling me "Michael Monkey" as a
>>>>>>>>>>> result.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No, I almost always have called you Michael Pendragon, choosing to take
>>>>>>>>>> the high road and not dink to your low level of childish insults and
>>>>>>>>>> name calling.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You've been calling me a "Little Green Monkey" for the past week or so,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tit for Tat, look it up.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No kidding, Pee-wee.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It just counteracts your claim that you "almost always have called (me)
>>>>>>> Michael Pendragon."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There ypu have it: "Will Donkey" came from my son's misreading of your
>>>>>>>>>>> name on my monitor, and "Michael Monkey" came from Karen's satirical
>>>>>>>>>>> poem.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That sounds about right except the animal name calling really goes back
>>>>>>>>>> to earlier times.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mummy Chunks asked you where the "Monkey Boy" name came from -- not when
>>>>>>>>> calling people by childish animal names began.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, we should start at where it all begins, never mind that you second
>>>>>>>> handed the idea, Pendragon.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> MummyChunk didn't ask when the childish name-calling began.  They asked
>>>>>>> about the origin of "Monkey Boy."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We should start by answering the actual question that was asked.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Okay, fair enough, let's do that.
>>>>>
>>>>> I did.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> The problem with you is that you lie and misrepresent so much, Michael
>>>> Pendragon.
>>>
>>> That simply isn't true
>>
>> Of course I don't expect you to admit it, Pendragon.
>
> You know the rules

You break the rules with your lies and misrepresentations almost every
day, Pendragon.

> Any so-called "misrepresentation" you can find was based on

They're based on figments of your delusional imagination, Pendragon,
when they're not outright lies.

And so it goes.