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From: John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Job Offer
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2025 16:52:40 +0700
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On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 04:05:22 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

>>I never said I though I was loved by God.On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 08:52:46 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 12:06:55 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>>On 3/17/2025 12:03 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 11:35:21 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 3/17/2025 11:07 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/17/2025 10:30 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>> On 3/16/2025 10:01 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 3/16/2025 4:28 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Education isn't an accomplishment, it's a tool.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's both. Education can't be simply given to a person.
>>>>>>>> It can be greatly helped by a competent teacher, but the
>>>>>>>> person still has to work to achieve it. Doing that
>>>>>>>> successfully is an accomplishment.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What's odd is that this discussion group has a few
>>>>>>>> denizens who think they can accomplish just as much
>>>>>>>> without that tool.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In modern parlance, they actually are the tools.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't think it's binary or Manichean.  That is, both or
>>>>>>> all can be true in different examples.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Examples abound of both autodidacts with gaping holes in
>>>>>>> their repertoire (me) and others who accomplished much
>>>>>>> from the same background (Franklin).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Benjamin Franklin was brilliant. It's been pointed out that
>>>>>> his science accomplishments alone would have won Nobel
>>>>>> Prizes had they existed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But any modern American is a fool if he says "Franklin was
>>>>>> great and he learned it all himself. So I don't need no
>>>>>> schooling."
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Right, that would be a logical leap in most cases.
>>>>>
>>>>> Still and all, situations, capacity, attitude and resources
>>>>> vary so much that a certificate or a degree may not hold a
>>>>> good return for everyone.
>>>>>
>>>>> Again this is the difference between education broadly and
>>>>> certification specifically.  No one wants a heart surgeon or
>>>>> structural engineer who sorta gets the general idea in his
>>>>> field:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-BpW_cM7iYc
>>>> 
>>>> I very clearly remember the moment when I reached awareness. It was in
>>>> fourth grade and I was assigned a couple of pages of long division,
>>>> which I was ordered to copy out of the book and "<LOL> solve....  I
>>>> did a couple and then it hit me. I know how to do this and doing it
>>>> over and over serves no purpose. That's when I started ignoring the
>>>> assignments and going ahead in the book on my own. I did very little
>>>> homework from that day on, but I did well on all the tests. The
>>>> ignorant teachers insisted on basing too much of the grades on the
>>>> "daily work, instead of simply how much was learned. I think it hurt
>>>> their feelings that I ignored their instructions.
>>>> 
>>>> Most of what I know, I learned by reading and experimenting. Yeah, I
>>>> know that wouldn't work for doctors, nurses, and dentists, but those
>>>> kinds of professions are too restrictive for me anyway.
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> C'est bon
>>>> Soloman
>>>
>>>Good point, and you understand the difference. See also 
>>>airplane mechanics.
>>
>>"Most of what I know, I learned by reading and experimenting."
>>
>>Airplane mechanic?
>>
>>And the pilots don't complain? ():-)
>
>I never worked on an airplane, but I wrenched on cars and trucks and
>boats and tractors and snowmobiles and motorcycles and bicycles. I
>didn't need a school teacher for any of that.

I am genuine,, Federal licensed, Airplane Mechanic (:-)  Air plane
mechanizing  is more a  matter of doing work correctly and maybe more
important not doing things wrong. For example there are limits on how
many and what sort welds can be made in a steel tube aircraft
fuselage. Or the correct process to weld an internal combustion engine
exhaust and so on and everything that might come loose has to be
secures with safety wire, or other safety system to avoid things
falling off in flight (Upsets the pilots greatly when parts start
falling off in flight  :-)

 
-- 
Cheers,

John B.