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From: Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org>
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Subject: Re: Job Offer
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2025 18:46:42 -0400
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On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 17:31:58 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 3/21/2025 5:20 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>> On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 19:10:59 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 17:44:56 -0400, Catrike Ryder
>>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 18:43:13 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 17:11:10 -0400, Catrike Ryder
>>>>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 17:05:24 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/21/2025 4:49 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 3/21/2025 3:28 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 3/21/2025 3:28 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 3/21/2025 2:23 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 13:20:01 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/21/2025 8:40 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/20/2025 11:33 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apparently the far right still maintains its world view by ignoring
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all relevant facts it dislikes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> An universal trait, across all ideologies.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I strongly disagree. "Univeral" seems to imply "everybody" of "all
>>>>>>>>>>>> ideologies." I think complete dismissal of facts is far, far more
>>>>>>>>>>>> common
>>>>>>>>>>>> on the right.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What's more common universally is to disagree on the relative
>>>>>>>>>>>> importance
>>>>>>>>>>>> of various bits of data. And there were long periods in U.S. history
>>>>>>>>>>>> when that was the main subject of disputes - which data set is more
>>>>>>>>>>>> significant? Which facts should get more attention? Which issues are
>>>>>>>>>>>> more important?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We're far beyond that now, at least with the right wing. Once a Trump
>>>>>>>>>>>> administration invented "alternative facts" verifiable data went
>>>>>>>>>>>> out the
>>>>>>>>>>>> window. The right now has a strong tendency to blatantly invent
>>>>>>>>>>>> "facts"
>>>>>>>>>>>> to justify its ideas. Vance essentially confessed to that, regarding
>>>>>>>>>>>> small town Ohio pets being eaten by immigrants, claiming it was OK to
>>>>>>>>>>>> "create stories" - IOW, outright lie. Musk is "finding" billions and
>>>>>>>>>>>> billions of dollars of fraud that regularly disappears whenever anyone
>>>>>>>>>>>> else looks into the details.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Your efforts today are less blatant, but related: "Here's _one_
>>>>>>>>>>>> glacier
>>>>>>>>>>>> that grew, so we should ignore the immense worldwide shrinking of
>>>>>>>>>>>> almost
>>>>>>>>>>>> all glaciers." And "Land here is slowly sinking, so we should ignore
>>>>>>>>>>>> worldwide satellite measurements showing oceans rising."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I recall hearing that Joe Biden is so sharp that his staff can't keep
>>>>>>>>>>> up with him.  That Trump went to Russia and had women pee on him. That
>>>>>>>>>>> there was choice but to pack up and leave Afghanistan the way it was
>>>>>>>>>>> done.  That there was no way to close the border without Congressional
>>>>>>>>>>> action. That Hunter Biden would not be pardoned. (etc)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Both sides lie. Both sides make up "Facts." Both sides fund their pet
>>>>>>>>>>> projects. Both sides are crooks.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>>>> Speaker Pelosi to Congress
>>>>>>>>>>> "We need to pass the bill so you can find out what's in it."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Leave it to the dumbass to intentionally conflate politics with science.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dishonesty may be among our smaller problems.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ms Pelosi also said (clearly and correctly) that Mr Biden could not
>>>>>>>>>> waive student loans without an Act of Congress.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Merely being truthful and correct had no affect on what actually
>>>>>>>>>> happened, as Mr Biden bragged about subsequently defying the direct
>>>>>>>>>> Supreme Court ruling.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No, he didn't. He said "we'll have to find another way to do it".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And then continued anyway, misusing a 'special cases' provision for
>>>>>>>> large classes of borrowers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> People (me) who worked two jobs to pay tuition at retail in cash were
>>>>>>>> miffed at least.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Must have felt the same way my cousin did when the drinking age in
>>>>>>> Massachusetts was lowered to 18 the day after he turned 21.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's not the way life turns sometimes - I learned to live with it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My loans were paid off long ago, but I thought student loan forgiveness
>>>>>>> was a great idea, and still do. One of the reasons this country lags in
>>>>>>> education is that we make it hard to get one. It's why Musk wants to
>>>>>>> keep the H1B program going, and convinced trump to make it so - couple
>>>>>>> that with this asinine thought that the government shouldn't be involved
>>>>>>> in education, and it's no wonder American companies need to have foreign
>>>>>>> students.
>>>
>>> 	Indians, Pakistanis and Russians are taking over American's
>>> jobs And they are "legalized" by the rich guys that want to profit on
>>> the FREE education they received in India, Pakistan, whatever.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's smacks of cutting off your nose to spite your face.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Plumbers, truck drivers, and construction workers paying off college
>>>>>> graduates' loans. Well of course.....
>>>>>
>>>>> 	Charge it to people that have hundreds of billions of dollars.
>>>>> They probably won't even notice.
>>>>> 	[]'s
>>>>
>>>> They already pay most of the income taxes...  and also, most of the
>>>> wages.
>>>
>>> 	Wow. And there was still enough left over to become almost
>>> trillionaires?
>>> 	What if they paid more taxes and better wages, would they have
>>> to scrape by with few dozen billion dollars today? Like plumbers,
>>> truck drivers and construction workers do? Poor guys.
>>> 	[]'s
>> 
>> Let's take their money because they've got too much? I'm not into that
>> kind of nonesense. On the other hand, I'm all in favor of "lets take
>> away their power and influence because they've got to much of it."
>> That might solve a lot of problems.
>> 
>> --
>> C'est bon
>> Soloman
>
>
>Are you suggesting that a man of means ought to be able to 
>buy a Pagani but not his alderman? Never gonna happen.

"I'm a gung-ho capitalist. For the most part, people get paid
according to what they've managed to connive and convince others as to
what their worth. People who get connived and convinced have nobody to
blame but themselves. It's a myth that one man's wealth detracts from
other people's well being. On the other hand, it's true that power and
influence detracts from other people's well being. 

--
C'est bon
Soloman