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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: What it would take... People to address my points with reasoning instead of rhetoric Date: Wed, 14 May 2025 18:32:29 +0100 Organization: Fix this later Lines: 32 Message-ID: <1002k3e$2k04c$1@dont-email.me> References: <vvm948$34h6g$2@dont-email.me> <87v7q5n3sc.fsf@bsb.me.uk> <vvtf7n$17c1i$5@dont-email.me> <87plgdmldp.fsf@bsb.me.uk> <vvudut$1ife1$1@dont-email.me> <vvuii0$1j0qo$1@dont-email.me> <vvuk0d$1j6s0$5@dont-email.me> <vvvbtd$1ov7e$10@dont-email.me> <vvvpia$1tcfq$1@dont-email.me> <vvvqd1$1tgam$1@dont-email.me> <vvvrhl$1so2t$2@dont-email.me> <vvvu75$1rc4t$3@dont-email.me> <1000cs0$21dtc$4@dont-email.me> <9c1af7d0e9c40b141b0e69465ed4e4d89136a5e5@i2pn2.org> <1002d1g$2i4bk$10@dont-email.me> <1002do1$2h3mu$1@dont-email.me> <1002j6t$2k00a$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Wed, 14 May 2025 19:32:30 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="0c399434be0097fc2343dbe56cfc06f0"; logging-data="2752652"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19E6faIjoV6r5Ka6gCjxE2606lGWrwZUf9+reIGb6QMDw==" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:HIOxlDf0XivtC+1K7YhV9d/pqxo= In-Reply-To: <1002j6t$2k00a$1@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-GB On 14/05/2025 18:17, olcott wrote: > On 5/14/2025 10:44 AM, Richard Heathfield wrote: >> On 14/05/2025 16:32, olcott wrote: >> >> <snip> >> >>> It is nuts to propose the idea of a universal >>> halt decider when we know that there are some >>> things that can only be decided by an infinite >>> computation. >> >> It is precisely because Alan Turing proposed the idea of a >> universal halt decider that we know that there are some things >> that can only be decided by an infinite computation. >> > > That has nothing to do with any of the > conventional proofs that the halting > problem has no solution. > > It is never "yes it can be done in an infinite number of steps" I was just echoing your wording and I got lazy. Your strawman, not mine. <snip> -- Richard Heathfield Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk "Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999 Sig line 4 vacant - apply within