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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Why Peter Olcott is both right and wrong Date: Thu, 15 May 2025 11:07:48 +0300 Organization: - Lines: 19 Message-ID: <10047ck$31ece$1@dont-email.me> References: <5PfVP.200711$RD41.12367@fx12.ams4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 15 May 2025 10:07:49 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="1d3ea60c43909c97d925f5b2a4bb28e2"; logging-data="3193230"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX188jC57R7Z9dFamCRr2UxsI" User-Agent: Unison/2.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:PKAAUsJGYSmy9GZHafN5J89Cj4k= On 2025-05-15 06:27:13 +0000, Mr Flibble said: > Peter is right to say that the halting problem as defined is flawed: he > agrees with me that there is category error at the heart of the problem > definition whereby the decider is conflated with the program being > analysed in an ill-formed self-referential dependency that manifests in > his simulating halt decider as "aborted" infinite recursion. No, he is not right about that. There is no flaw about the problem. The problem is to create a halt decider. Every Turing machine either is or is not a halt decider. In order to demonstrate that a Turing machine is not a halt decider it is sufficient to show one example that it does not determine correctly. That a problem is too hard to you does not mean that it be ill-posed. -- Mikko