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From: Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please>
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Subject: Re: The Spanish Grid Drop-out - recently released information.
Date: Thu, 15 May 2025 14:46:16 +0200
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On 5/15/25 01:38, Phil Hobbs wrote:
> On 2025-05-14 17:37, john larkin wrote:
>> On Wed, 14 May 2025 21:10:06 +0200, "Carlos E.R."
>> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2025-05-14 19:19, john larkin wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 13 May 2025 22:28:23 +0200, "Carlos E.R."
>>>> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2025-05-13 18:14, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>>>> On 13/05/2025 11:48 pm, john larkin wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 May 2025 12:57:47 +0200, "Carlos E.R."
>>>>>>> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nukes are great, but not if you tear them down.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nukes are remarkably expensive, and depressingly inflexible. 
>>>>>> Radiation
>>>>>> damage to the structure means that you do have to tear them down 
>>>>>> after a
>>>>>> few decades of use, and the radioactive waste starts off very
>>>>>> radioactive, and the longer-lived isotopes have to be managed for 
>>>>>> a few
>>>>>> hundred thousand years.
>>>>>
>>>>> And the investors building the stations do not consider the cost of
>>>>> managing the waste for centuries. They leave that part to the
>>>>> government. In Spain, we don't have any long term nuclear waste 
>>>>> storage.
>>>>> I think we rent storage in France, so the waste has to be transported
>>>>> there. We have some storage at each station, a large water pool.
>>>>
>>>> The best thing to do with used fuel rods is reprocess them into more
>>>> fuel.
>>>
>>> Something that is expensive and not every country can do.
>>
>> A couple of very remote places in the world could do that. And we'd
>> get lots of fun isotopes too. Can't leave hot rods in a zillion pools
>> forever.
>>
>>>
>>>> When that's not feasible, dig a deep hole and dump it in. Or drop
>>>> barrels of junk into an ocean subduction zone.
>>>
>>> That's simply wrong.
>>>
>>>> It's irrational to store nuclear waste locally. Nuke policy is mostly
>>>> fear driven. And nukes are unpopular in some quarters by people who
>>>> really don't want us to have affordable, safe energy.
>>>
>>> I have a very rational and studied fear of nuclear power.
>>
>> Why?  It's very safe when done carefully.
>>
>> The little modular reactors sound cool.
> 
> Putting used nuclear fuel someplace deepish underground is important. 
> While a nuclear war would be very very bad, surface storage makes it 
> much, much worse.
> [...]

Yes! Now convince the populace and the politicians.

Jeroen Belleman