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From: Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please>
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Subject: Re: The Spanish Grid Drop-out - recently released information.
Date: Thu, 15 May 2025 15:57:36 +0200
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On 5/15/25 12:29, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2025-05-14 23:37, john larkin wrote:
>> On Wed, 14 May 2025 21:10:06 +0200, "Carlos E.R."
>> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2025-05-14 19:19, john larkin wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 13 May 2025 22:28:23 +0200, "Carlos E.R."
>>>> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2025-05-13 18:14, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>>>> On 13/05/2025 11:48 pm, john larkin wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 May 2025 12:57:47 +0200, "Carlos E.R."
>>>>>>> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nukes are great, but not if you tear them down.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nukes are remarkably expensive, and depressingly inflexible. 
>>>>>> Radiation
>>>>>> damage to the structure means that you do have to tear them down 
>>>>>> after a
>>>>>> few decades of use, and the radioactive waste starts off very
>>>>>> radioactive, and the longer-lived isotopes have to be managed for 
>>>>>> a few
>>>>>> hundred thousand years.
>>>>>
>>>>> And the investors building the stations do not consider the cost of
>>>>> managing the waste for centuries. They leave that part to the
>>>>> government. In Spain, we don't have any long term nuclear waste 
>>>>> storage.
>>>>> I think we rent storage in France, so the waste has to be transported
>>>>> there. We have some storage at each station, a large water pool.
>>>>
>>>> The best thing to do with used fuel rods is reprocess them into more
>>>> fuel.
>>>
>>> Something that is expensive and not every country can do.
>>
>> A couple of very remote places in the world could do that. And we'd
>> get lots of fun isotopes too. Can't leave hot rods in a zillion pools
>> forever.
> 
> Transporting nuclear waste long distances is dangerous.
> 
> Pools are a temporary solution till someone develops a permanent 
> solution. Nobody has, in decades.
> [...]

That's not true. Putting it deep underground in a stable and dry
layer of rock would be perfectly safe. Finland is doing it, at long
last. In other countries, the opposition still wins.

In the Netherlands, there was talk of putting it into underground
salt formations. That's folly, in my opinion. Salt is plastic,
corrosive and soluble, and people might want to mine it. Fortunately
this time, here too the opposition wins.

Jeroen Belleman