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From: Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de>
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Subject: Re: men in women's bicycle races
Date: Fri, 16 May 2025 15:19:41 +0200
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Am 16.05.2025 um 14:43 schrieb AMuzi:
> On 5/15/2025 9:40 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 5/15/2025 10:06 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 5/15/2025 7:30 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>>>> On 5/14/2025 6:47 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>> On 5/14/2025 2:54 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/14/2025 8:48 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>> On 5/14/2025 2:52 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 May 2025 23:14:03 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>> <frkrygow@gXXmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/2025 3:18 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/2025 1:18 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/2025 8:45 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2025 11:29 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2025 6:05 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2025 1:33 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But Mr. Timid Tricyclist just won't let it go. It allows 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> him to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hide from discussing the current administration's crazy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> incompetence. What a dupe.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pick an administration. Any administration. Select any of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> myriad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> examples of 'crazy incompetence'.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> USS Gettysburg shot down a fighter from her own carrier 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> group (USS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Truman) in the Biden administration in December.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then USS Truman lost two fighters overboard (one from 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sliding tow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vehicle in April, one landing arrest failure in May.) in 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 2d
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump administration.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.businessinsider.com/us-navy- aircraft- 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> carrier- red-sea-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lost- another-super-hornet-2025-5?op=1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One never runs out of examples.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is each military mishap the fault of an executive 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> administration?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd think that even the appointment of, say, a low experience
>>>>>>>>>>>>> drunken Fox network personality would require quite a bit 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of time to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> noticeably affect the competence of the world's largest 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> military.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Appointing an egotistical and inexperienced cyber dude to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pull in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> other cyber dudes with no relevant qualifications, to hack 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> away
>>>>>>>>>>>>> randomly at every possible government agency, firing then 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> rehiring
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hundreds or thousands of competent workers? That's 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> administrative
>>>>>>>>>>>>> incompetence - one example among many.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, yes, your term 'crazy incompetence' pervades 
>>>>>>>>>>>> governments (not
>>>>>>>>>>>> only US Federal government!)  in every administration. Hayek
>>>>>>>>>>>> brilliantly wrote on the inherent failures of large 
>>>>>>>>>>>> bureaucracies, by
>>>>>>>>>>>> their nature, well before key exemplars were born!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> First, it takes a large administration to run a large 
>>>>>>>>>>> institution, and
>>>>>>>>>>> a very large administration to run a large country. I doubt 
>>>>>>>>>>> there are
>>>>>>>>>>> any exceptions. And in any large administation you'll be able 
>>>>>>>>>>> to find
>>>>>>>>>>> examples of anything - competence, incompetence, stupidity,
>>>>>>>>>>> brilliance. Isn't "we have one of everything" one of your 
>>>>>>>>>>> talking points?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That does NOT mean all administrations are equal. The 
>>>>>>>>>>> unproductive
>>>>>>>>>>> chaos generated by unleashing Musk and his buddy boys seems 
>>>>>>>>>>> unique in
>>>>>>>>>>> our history. I doubt one legitimate scientist thinks Kennedy 
>>>>>>>>>>> is fully
>>>>>>>>>>> sane, let alone competent. And the "Hillary Emails!!!" crew 
>>>>>>>>>>> is giving
>>>>>>>>>>> an astonishing pass to the signal chat leaks. I could list 
>>>>>>>>>>> more, but I
>>>>>>>>>>> think the current administration is on its way toward record
>>>>>>>>>>> incompetence on multiple fronts.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If you're defending all that, I'm curious about your thought
>>>>>>>>>>> processes. Will it be "Yeah, but Obama wore a brown suit"?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The British Empire in the late Victorian era ran with a skimpy 
>>>>>>>>>> budget
>>>>>>>>>> and a slim staff.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://blog.nationalarchives.gov.uk/uk-government- did- we- 
>>>>>>>>>> rule-the-
>>>>>>>>>> empire-with-4000-civil-servants/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And Britain didn't even have a 10th Amendment!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Excess in funding and excess in hiring leads to 'mission 
>>>>>>>>>> creep' outside
>>>>>>>>>> lawful useful limits. As we see.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> p.s. thanks for snipping my example. There are more.
>>>>>>>>> Please! You of all people should understand the etiquette of 
>>>>>>>>> trimming
>>>>>>>>> posts. Of course "there are more." I won't bother to dig for 
>>>>>>>>> videos of
>>>>>>>>> Bush I saying "Read my lips: No new taxes" or Bush II dolled up in
>>>>>>>>> military costume to proclaim "Mission accomplished" but we should
>>>>>>>>> remember how those worked out.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And about the size of the British empire administration: ISTM 
>>>>>>>>> the point
>>>>>>>>> of the article you linked is that there really were countless 
>>>>>>>>> thousands
>>>>>>>>> of people administering it. It was a very different world in 
>>>>>>>>> the 1800s,
>>>>>>>>> far less complex and moving at a far slower place with far simpler
>>>>>>>>> technology; and the article seems to say that large numbers of
>>>>>>>>> administrators were at work, although perhaps employed by 
>>>>>>>>> colonies or
>>>>>>>>> local government, not central government. You certainly can't 
>>>>>>>>> pretend
>>>>>>>>> that any current major nation can get by with a few thousand 
>>>>>>>>> employees!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In any case, you've deflected away from my point. Do you really 
>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>> the Trump administration is as competent as any other one in 
>>>>>>>>> recent
>>>>>>>>> history? I don't, and the general run of experts (including those
>>>>>>>>> working for Trump's first administration) seem to rate this 
>>>>>>>>> crew near
>>>>>>>>> the bottom of the curve.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The main qualification for hiring was, obviously, fealty to the 
>>>>>>>>> wannabee
>>>>>>>>> king. That doesn't tend to bring in the best people.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Krygowski repeats what he's seen and heard from the leftist 
>>>>>>>> media and
>>>>>>>> fails to note that today, inflation is down, the border is now 
>>>>>>>> locked
>>>>>>>> up tight, illegal criminals are being booted, tariffs are being
>>>>>>>> renegotiated, government waste is being lessoned, military 
>>>>>>>> enlistment
>>>>>>>> is up, gas and grocery prices are down, and men are slowly
>>>>>>>> (but surely) being banned from women's sports activities.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>> C'est bon
>>>>>>>> Soloman
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You left out some very good news:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.cnbc.com/2025/05/12/tariff-receipts- topped-16- 
>>>>>>> billion- in- april-a-record-that-helped- cut- the-budget- 
>>>>>>> deficit.html
>>>>>>
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