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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met --- Mike's key mistake Date: Fri, 16 May 2025 15:29:18 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 42 Message-ID: <100876u$3tu2i$1@dont-email.me> References: <vvte01$14pca$29@dont-email.me> <fceb852a146ff7238c5be7a0adf420474a8fb5df@i2pn2.org> <vvuc7a$1deu5$5@dont-email.me> <c5a47349d8625838f1ee2782c216e0ebf9223bc6@i2pn2.org> <vvuj6l$1j6s0$3@dont-email.me> <b78af2e0b52f178683b672b45ba1bc2012023aaf@i2pn2.org> <1000dlc$21dtc$5@dont-email.me> <1000qdb$24gr3$4@dont-email.me> <1000rir$24jh0$3@dont-email.me> <1000rqc$24gr3$7@dont-email.me> <1000son$24sr2$3@dont-email.me> <7947826fb84c9c8db49c392b305d395c3669907f@i2pn2.org> <1002dre$2i4bk$14@dont-email.me> <1002vp2$2mbr6$3@dont-email.me> <10030c3$2mivc$3@dont-email.me> <87h61mang3.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com> <1003cu5$2p3g1$1@dont-email.me> <1003dir$2p2so$2@dont-email.me> <1004h1m$331gh$4@dont-email.me> <1006igb$3joc3$1@dont-email.me> <10085ru$3tr3u$3@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 16 May 2025 22:29:19 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="a793c50ac46b1404361ae4f1062ef558"; logging-data="4126802"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX186Zyp+EftWNh70t50kW/iL" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:/DjZT7cpa3rASzG8AEbbEzWNLlU= X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250516-6, 5/16/2025), Outbound message In-Reply-To: <10085ru$3tr3u$3@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US X-Antivirus-Status: Clean On 5/16/2025 3:06 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: > Op 16.mei.2025 om 07:29 schreef olcott: >> *Not at all. I am following these exact words* >> <MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022> >> If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its >> input D until H correctly determines that its simulated D >> would never stop running unless aborted then >> >> H can abort its simulation of D and correctly report that D >> specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations. >> </MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022> >> >> On 5/14/2025 7:36 PM, Mike Terry wrote: >> Shows exactly how to implement those words to implement >> a correct Simulating Termination Analyzer. Mike provides >> a complete example of how this works. >> >> > > > Sipser agreed to a vacuous statement, because the condition 'correctly > simulates' was not met. And by this you mean that when the spec requires a partial simulation *until H correctly determines that its simulated D* *would never stop running unless aborted* You "interpret" this to mean that it must infinitely simulate non-terminating inputs. > In addition, apparently you do not understand what I said, because you > do not bring anything against it. I only address one point at a time because I found that almost all of my reviewers get totally confused even on one single point. -- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer