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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
Newsgroups: comp.theory
Subject: Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly
 met --- Mike's key mistake
Date: Fri, 16 May 2025 15:29:18 -0500
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On 5/16/2025 3:06 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
> Op 16.mei.2025 om 07:29 schreef olcott:
>> *Not at all. I am following these exact words*
>> <MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>
>>      If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its
>>      input D until H correctly determines that its simulated D
>>      would never stop running unless aborted then
>>
>>      H can abort its simulation of D and correctly report that D
>>      specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations.
>> </MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>
>>
>> On 5/14/2025 7:36 PM, Mike Terry wrote:
>> Shows exactly how to implement those words to implement
>> a correct Simulating Termination Analyzer. Mike provides
>> a complete example of how this works.
>>
>>
> 
> 
> Sipser agreed to a vacuous statement, because the condition 'correctly 
> simulates' was not met.

And by this you mean that when the spec requires
a partial simulation

*until H correctly determines that its simulated D*
*would never stop running unless aborted*

You "interpret" this to mean that it must
infinitely simulate non-terminating inputs.

> In addition, apparently you do not understand what I said, because you 
> do not bring anything against it.

I only address one point at a time because I found
that almost all of my reviewers get totally confused
even on one single point.

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