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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Overcoming the proof of undecidability of the Halting Problem by a simple example in C Date: Fri, 16 May 2025 21:24:40 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 59 Message-ID: <1008s18$5uqc$1@dont-email.me> References: <1005jsk$3akrk$1@dont-email.me> <bc6f0f045212bdfb7f7d883426873a09e37789ea@i2pn2.org> <1005u6v$3cpt2$1@dont-email.me> <1005v0p$3b07v$1@dont-email.me> <10063u0$3dmiv$1@dont-email.me> <1006on8$3l9t7$1@dont-email.me> <1007kgq$3qb7l$9@dont-email.me> <1007mp8$3r37u$1@dont-email.me> <1008jgl$j63$3@dont-email.me> <1008o88$1bg1$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sat, 17 May 2025 04:24:42 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="6ea8251727358be87ec7627194d1f4d0"; logging-data="195404"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/mFzILVfV11uWL26IostYf" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:C+XxL8u2Iz7EQMWjmAxB/Bh7YgE= X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250516-6, 5/16/2025), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean In-Reply-To: <1008o88$1bg1$1@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US On 5/16/2025 8:20 PM, Richard Heathfield wrote: > On 17/05/2025 00:59, olcott wrote: >> On 5/16/2025 10:48 AM, Richard Heathfield wrote: >>> On 16/05/2025 16:10, olcott wrote: > > <snip> > Only damned liars would remove this key context. >>>> Anyone that knows C can tell that when HHH does simulate >>>> DDD correctly that it keeps getting deeper in recursive >>>> simulation until aborted or OOM error. >>> >>> Anyone who knows C knows that there isn't much HHH can do with the >>> pointer value it's given. It can call DDD: >>> >>> (*p)(); >>> >> >> Sure when you make sure to totally ignore crucial >> words > > The crucial words - *so* crucial that you keep on repeating them - are > 'Anyone who knows C'. > > You don't. > >> then by using the strawman error on these dishonestly >> changed words they are easy to rebut. > > I didn't change your words; I just rebutted them. > >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man > > "A straw man fallacy (sometimes written as strawman) is the informal > fallacy of refuting an argument different from the one actually under > discussion." > > When you said "Anyone who knows C" (as you have said very often), you > yourself opened the discussion. > > If you don't want people to attack your woeful understanding if the > language, don't make the claim that you know the language. > >> On the other hand when honest C programmers see >> those words they will think of something like a C >> interpreter written in C is doing the simulation. > > If you are claiming to have written a C interpreter, that's a huge claim > without any evidence whatsoever to support it. > When you dishonestly remove the context that you are replying to fools might think that your rebuttal has merit. -- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer