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From: William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: John Grimes (A Bertram Chandler) - a little help?
Date: Sat, 17 May 2025 15:19:01 -0400
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Paul S Person wrote:
> On Fri, 16 May 2025 22:57:57 -0700, Robert Woodward
> <robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote:
> 
>> In article <10085kh$f7h$1@reader1.panix.com>,
>> jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:
>>
>>> In article <10083hn$3s9qp$1@dont-email.me>,
>>> Tony Nance  <tnusenet17@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I was looking at my shelves for something to read next, and I realized I
>>>> have roughly a dozen novels set in the Rim universe. A few feature Derek
>>>> Calver, set before John Grimes emerges as the main protagonist; and
>>>> almost all of my Grimes novels are set early in his career.
>>>>
>>>> Both isfdb and wikipedia give a pretty good in-universe chronological
>>>> order, and of course it's pretty easy to figure out publication order as
>>>> well.
>>>>
>>>> Any advice on how to go about reading this series? Is it important to
>>>> read the Calver stories first? Anything I should be aware of that can't
>>>> be deduced from isfdb?
>>>>
>>> As I recall, they were written out of order in an era when books were
>>> expected to stand on their own. For the most part, each volume tells
>>> you what you needed to know to enjoy that book. Actually, I don't
>>> remember any that do not.
>>>
>>> That said, some do reference previous events. I would not read
>>> the Far Traveller or Star Courier before The Big Black Mark.
>>
>> In my case, I have not read _The Big Black Mark_ (though I have heard of
>> it - was it inspired by Bligh's first mutiny?*), but I have read _The
>> Far Traveller_ and _Star Courier_.
> 
> /Mutiny on the Bounty/ was. /Men Against the Sea/, though, it the real
> winner in the trilogy. IMHO, of course.
> 
> My favorite version is, inevitably, the MAD Movie Satire "Mutiny on
> the Bouncy".
> 
>> *IIRC, _The Anarch Lords_ was inspired by Bligh's third mutiny. Since I
>> haven't read all of the Grimes stories, I don't know if there is one
>> inspired by Bligh's second mutiny.
> 
> The second mutiny is ... hard to find on Bing. "Bligh's second mutiny"
> mostly brings up articles on the first mutiny, and the one that tells
> of it is mostly about the first mutiny.


It was a part of the larger Spithead and Nore mutinies, over pay among 
other things, and not particularly due to Bligh.  Wikipedia has a brief 
article on the mutinies, though Bligh is not mentioned.

ISTR from a biography that he  was privately sympathetic on the pay 
issue, but of course didn't let the men know that.

William Hyde