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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.quux.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> Newsgroups: sci.physics Subject: Re: What is "uncertain" in quantum physics? Date: Mon, 19 May 2025 11:17:03 +0200 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 41 Message-ID: <100esug$105b0$2@dont-email.me> References: <100d5cr$105b1$1@dont-email.me> <100e0f3$18pob$2@dont-email.me> <100esco$105b1$2@dont-email.me> <100esos$105b0$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 19 May 2025 11:17:05 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="fcf06f9df370babaff46fa07453c23d2"; logging-data="1054048"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1805CCTdHlgOYwbgmKYlpwSmxHQ1wu6FEs=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:NWi2YWPjgVKhE0IHy0U6ropD0kk= Content-Language: en-GB, it In-Reply-To: <100esos$105b0$1@dont-email.me> Bytes: 2653 On 19/05/2025 11:14, Julio Di Egidio wrote: > On 19/05/2025 11:07, Julio Di Egidio wrote: >> On 19/05/2025 03:10, x wrote: >>> On 5/18/25 10:28, Julio Di Egidio wrote: >>>> Why shouldn't we think of the Uncertainty Principle as just a statement >>>> about the limits of observation, rather than about something objective, >>>> especially as in causing some non-zero vacuum energy? >>>> >>>> Is there some experiment that settles "uncertainty" as something >>>> "really >>>> there"? In particular, I am not sure if the expansion of the Universe >>>> is such evidence, or rather a consequence of the theory. >>>> >>>> Thanks for any insight. >>> >>> Interesting. A statement or question actually >>> about physics. >> >> LOL, indeed. >> >>> If something is 'quantized' in quantum mechanics >>> it is actually there [and] not there. >>> >>> Take an electron. It actually has a specific >>> rest mass or charge. It does not have an infinite >>> number of fine degrees of mass or charge. >> >> But quantisation has nothing to do with uncertainty. >> >> Unless you are thinking of quantising space-time...? > > I.e. space-time dimensions: so no, at least not until > further notice, as those remain in a first instance > descriptions of observation, the "frames of reference". Unless you are thinking of quantising *proper* time (!), but then again, what would be the evidence, theoretical or experimental, for such a thing? -Julio