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From: AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org>
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Subject: Re: Bicycle road test & review
Date: Tue, 20 May 2025 07:39:35 -0500
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On 5/20/2025 2:30 AM, Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
> Am 19 May 2025 19:03:02 GMT schrieb Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>:
> 
>> Wolfgang Strobl <news51@mystrobl.de> wrote:
>>> Am 19 May 2025 15:20:51 GMT schrieb Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>:
>>>
>>>> Wolfgang Strobl <news51@mystrobl.de> wrote:
>>>>> Am 19 May 2025 07:53:26 GMT schrieb Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> Absolutely hilarious.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB7pBrudFbg
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He’s a good watch I enjoyed him getting on of the hire bikes working
>>>>>> yesterday?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And yes those bikes are kinda the worse example of “the Tesla of the bike
>>>>>> world” ie IT fantasies about bikes than reality and all that!
>>>>>
>>>>> The whole concept of "electrical assist" is a bad joke. Combine that
>>>>> with “designer bikes” and it becomes completely ridiculous.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> It’s more the black box electronics and dumb stuff like hubless wheels and
>>>> so on.
>>>
>>> That's the "designer bike" part. If it looks nice on the drawing board
>>> and and a person knowing its shortcomings can ride it for the time it
>>> takes to record a few videos, it has served its purpose.
>>
>> He tends to collect bikes particularly if interesting ones, so i suspect
>> he’s ridden it a fair bit, I don’t believe that bike ever worked well motor
>> or not it’s simply not designed well, ie the stiff uncomfortable ride and
>> so on.
> 
> I wouldn't call designer bikes like these interesting. Bikes like the
> Rival Reevo hubless ebike are dangerous crap powered by a 750 watt motor
> that gets hyped and is marketed to idiots.
> 
> When you look up the web, hype outweigths critical reviews.
> Hype: <https://mrgadget.com.au/reevo-the-hubless-e-bike-review/>
> Critical review
> <https://cyclingmagazine.ca/mtb/the-reevo-hubless-ebike-a-futuristic-disaster-on-two-wheels/>
> 
> Dubious designer bikes existed long before the advent of ebikes, but got
> out of fashion, for obvious reasons. The ability to mask some of their
> shortcomings by using a powerful electrical motor and some software
> voodoo might change that. Some of those who want to sell this crap at
> least seem to believe it.
> 
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Which is step above the e bike technology which after all can be ridden and
>>>> used if off even.
>>>
>>>
>>> That's missing the point.  In both cases, the motor is a necessary
>>> ingredient to hide some shortcomings.  Some people might add that a
>>> motor powering a bicycle essentially _is_ a shortcoming. I tend to agree
>>> with this view.
>>>
>> No plenty of hire bikes don’t have motors and ride fine for what they are,
> 
> That's missing the point again.  We are talking about a specific ebike,
> here.  What does bike rental of conventional bicycles have to do with
> that?
> 
> 
>> both have rather ponderous ride and so on, and neither go particularly
>> fast, the vast majority of London’s Boris bikes aren’t electric.
>>
>> The Lime bikes and similar dockless bikes do all seem to be electric, but
>> doesn’t make much difference to the bike, both plod along and so on.
> 
> It may not make a big difference to the bike, but it does to the rider.
> I wouldn't care if these motorcycles weren't marketed as bicycles and if
> the successful lobbying of groups interested in selling them hadn't
> resulted in these motorcycles being equated with bicycles by law in most
> European countries.
> 
> 
> 

+1 all around, thank you.

Trouble is, marketing to idiots can be a paying proposition, 
in numbers alone!

-- 
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971